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preagnant and dont know what to do
Sep 13th, 2007 at 3:50pm
 
I just found out that I am about six weeks preagnant I'm not sure what I should do.  my neurologists says it shouldn't affect my condition.  But my family doctor thinks I should have an abortion.  I found out I had moya moya after having an anurysum in april 2005 and then again in dec 2005.  I don't have any symptoms that it's progressing I really don't have any symptoms at all other than fatique.  can someone please give me some advice on what to do.
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Reply #1 - Sep 13th, 2007 at 11:49pm
 
Hi Missy,

I want to say congratulations, but also how concerned I am. Am I correct in assuming from your post that you did not have any treatment, meaning any surgery for your MM??? If you haven't, I gotta tell ya first off, MM is a progressive disease. Things don't stay as they are, this disease gets worse over time. You don’t necessarily have to have any symptoms when it progresses. The progression is different from patient to patient, but bottom line, left untreated, afflicted patients will have strokes, which may be debilitating and eventually fatal. With MMD, we know a stroke/hemorrhage is coming, we just don’t know when, but the good news is, this disease can be successfully treated to prevent that possible stroke.
 
As far as MM and your pregnancy, I’ve read where it is in fact dangerous to get pregnant and have a baby IF you haven’t had successful treatment, (surgery) BUT with treatment many here have gotten pregnant and safely had babies. They did great when their pregnancy was monitored by MM experienced doctors and staff, but AFTER they had successful treatment! In most cases, every pregnant MM patient I’ve ever spoken with said that C-Section had to be the method of delivery though, as they won't allow any pressure on the brain as with regular delivery. There are doctors that specialize in “high-risk pregnancies” and that is what MM patients’ should have, and one that’s familiar with MMD. There were also many members who said that administering the anesthesia during the C-section was very important (vital) for a MM patient, and that’s why the anesthesiologist should also be familiar with this disease, because certain anesthesia cannot be administered with anything that constricts the vessels or increases blood pressure like some do. The tiny MM vessels are very sensitive to anesthesia. They say your blood circulation increases with a normal pregnancy, so having MMD; you can see the need of a “high-risk pregnancy doctor” and MM experience, for special care to help avoid any chance of a possible hemorrhage or stroke.

I would NEVER advise anyone to have an abortion, but rather advise you to seek a “MM expert” for their opinion, ASAP. They would best know from experience and after learning your specific situation as to whether delivery is safe in your case.

That's my Smiley

You'll certainly be in my thoughts and prayers.

Mar


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Reply #2 - Sep 14th, 2007 at 7:06am
 
Hi Missy,
I am one of the successes on the site who has had a baby post op.
I gotta tell you I would be listening to my neurologist over my doctor and would not be blindly going ahead with having an abortion.
You need to find out as many facts as you can. All being said, if you have already had surgery, pregnancy should not be a problem at all. This is a very important decision that will affect your life so please dont rush in and do what your doctor says without checking the facts.
When I was pregnant the extra blood flow actually "cured" my headaches and I felt fantastic. If you are closely monitored throughout your pregnancy  by a specialist who is aware of MM the risks to you should be as minimal as possible. (I am assuming in this case that you haven't had surgery).
I am with Mar on this one - a child is the greatest gift in this world and I would be taking evry possible chance to bring him/her into the world
Moira
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Reply #3 - Sep 14th, 2007 at 8:50am
 
Thank you for your advice everyone. I haven't ever had surgery for my moya moya but they do monitor me every six months by doing a cat scan they said I only have a very small blockage and that the moya moya is not progressing. I do have two other children wich I probably had moya moya when I had them and I had to have c-sections with them its just that i'm very worried about what can happen.  If anyone knows of any o.b.'s that specialize in moya moya around the kansas city area please let me know and thanks again for all your help.
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Reply #4 - Sep 14th, 2007 at 2:53pm
 
I’m sorry that I don’t know of any ob’s that are experienced with MMD. I sure wish I did. We’re very fortunate if we find Neurologists that are familiar enough with this rare disease.

I’m very glad to hear your MM is not progressing as of yet. It varies with every patient. But I would like to point out that the danger of a stroke is still very much there with MMD, and even more so with being pregnant. Simply monitoring MMD with a CT is risky. Your MM vessels, (collaterals) that form to compensate for the lack of blood flow through the carotid arteries are abnormal vessels, they are fragile and weak vessels, and simply not equipped to deliver the volume of blood needed over a long period of time.  This is why all MM patients are very much at risk of having a stroke or hemorrhage at any time. The ONLY safe treatment for MMD is prompt surgical management. I’m not saying this to frighten you, but rather to ensure you have the proper facts. Not all doctors are experienced enough with this rare disease, and many have their patients wait, and sadly they have strokes.

As for your pregnancy, the only advice I can give you at this point would be to look for a “high-risk" pregnancy doctor and if they do not have the experience with MMD, perhaps they’ll look into someone who does.

Good Luck! Smiley
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Reply #5 - Sep 14th, 2007 at 3:20pm
 
 Thanks Mar for all of your help. I am so very confused about what to do I don't want to have an abortion but if I can't have this baby safely without the risk of death or major stroke than I would rather not do it at all because I do have two other children that I have to think about.  I am so scared something serious is going to happen. I just don't know what to do.   Smiley
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Reply #6 - Sep 14th, 2007 at 5:46pm
 
I certainly understand what you’re saying, God love ya. The safest advice I can give you, knowing you can still have a stroke whether you’re pregnant or not, is to get a second opinion with a MM expert. First find out IF in your particular case, you’re at risk right now for a stroke, in their expert opinion, before you take the next step. You have nothing to lose in getting a second opinion, but perhaps you’ll feel more confidant with your future decisions knowing a MM expert helped guide you to your next step.

If you’ve had the proper MM care, as you said, you should have a recent Angio, MRI/MRA, and other studies that assess your blood flow to the brain, for your doctor or any doctor for that matter, to be able to say you should be alright through your pregnancy without surgery. So, if you had the proper care, all you need to do for a second opinion with an expert, is to mail the MM specialist a copy of those films to get their expert opinion as to your situation. Then go from there. If you do not have those recent studies, there lies the danger girlfriend.

What has me worried most for your other children is, not the pregnancy, but your MMD. This disease without surgery is the real danger, IMO and should be addressed first.

Anybody else out there, please give us your opinion.

Mar
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Reply #7 - Sep 15th, 2007 at 2:25am
 
What I can't understand is you haven't been too concerned about having MM but this concern has only surfaced since you have become pregnant. I think that once someone finds out that they have MM and do nothing about it, this is just sheer irresponsibility especially as everyone knows that this is a progressive disease. You may be stable and not progressing, but no one can tell you that that is how it will always be. You should have been taking precautions if you were so worried about having another baby in your present  "no surgery" condition. Now you are faced with a decision that you are finding hard to come to a satisfactory conclusion about, but this should have been thought about in depth once you found out you have MM.
Surgery is the only way that you can avoid a major catastrophe happening to you and everything should have been done to make sure that you are still around for your other children. If this had have been properly thought out you would not be in the position you are in today and an innocent life would not have to be put at risk through sheer irresponsibility. If you are under the care of a neurologist who has MM experience, you should well and truly have been informed that the road that you are taking by having no surgery is going to end up tragically in some way for you. I call things as I see it - don't believe in beating around the bush and anyone who lives with the knowledge that they have MM and choose to do nothing about it, are absolutely insane.
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Reply #8 - Sep 15th, 2007 at 3:09pm
 
Missy, Please know that the MM supporters here realize you have to make decisions about your care as you see appropriate. We’re here for support and any information we can give you that may help, not to judge you in any way. We only have your best interest at heart and want you to have the facts as we know them.

Keeping you in my thoughts and prayers.

Please keep us posted.

Mar

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Re: preagnant and dont know what to do
Reply #9 - Sep 15th, 2007 at 7:06pm
 
Hi Missy, I'm sorry that you have to face a hard decision, personal, I don't trust CT scan because it always show my brain is normal eventhought my left side arteries is totally close and the right side is partial close, my neuro have to order MRI,MRA and angioram.  If I was you I will ask for those test to be done and search for an expert MM doctor to ask for his/her opinion.  I'm with Mar of everything she said. It just my 1 cent.


Take care of yourself and keep us post.
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Reply #10 - Sep 15th, 2007 at 10:48pm
 
Hi Missy,
I am a post-op moya moya patient and I live in South KC, if you need a friend to talk to I am close by!!  I, like you, have had children before being diagnosed with mm, I had my stroke years after I last gave birth...If you would like to personally email me please do so, we could talk and maybe I could help out with the different doctors that I see?
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