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Oct 21st, 2007 at 10:11pm
 
Hi, my name is Tami and my daughter Jasmine who also has Down Syndrome, was recently diagnosed with MM.  I am very frightened because no one in my area (Tulsa, Oklahoma) seems to know any thing about MM.  Once the Neurosurgeon diagnosed it as MM he treated it as stroke and traumatic brain injury.  The Diagnosis he wrote for her family doc was intracranial hemmorhage.  He kept putting it back to Down Syndrome saying things like "Sometimes these kids with DS are just born with MM.  He also told me that it is inoperable but if I am reading the info here correctly, it IS operable and infact without surgery she is at risk to stroke again.  Am I correct or am I just still in Panic mode?  In 1999 I lost my son in a car and train wreck so when they told me she had a bleed in her brain I just started begging God to not make me do this again.  Jasmine is my whole world and I just want to know how to help her in any way I can.  Thanks for letting me join this group it helps to just know there are others out there.
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Tami, Mom to Jasmine (13 DS & MM) and Ryan 11/28/82-11/28/99
 
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Reply #1 - Oct 21st, 2007 at 10:59pm
 
Hi Tami, Firstly welcome to this website. Here you will find all the support and information you need to get you through this harrowing time. MM is most definately operable and there are several kids on this website who have had surgery and also have DS. If you email Dr. Scott with your questions he should be able to supply you with answers. Please keep positive - this is a disease that can be overcome with surgery. I am sorry to hear of the loss of your son.
Moira
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Reply #2 - Oct 22nd, 2007 at 4:14pm
 
Tami,
I'm sorry for the tragedy and pain in your lives. I have Moya Moya and have had surgery. My interpretation of what I've read is that surgery is the treatment and not the cure. I don't think  the doctors will say that surgery eliminates the chance for more strokes.  Every case is different so please ask many questions and come to your own conclusions.  There does seem to be many postings here which indicate surgery improves the symptoms of MMD and recovery from impairments due to strokes.   I wish the best for you and your daughter.

Russ
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Reply #3 - Oct 22nd, 2007 at 7:32pm
 
Thankyou for your responses, yes I will definatly do my homework before the "test!"  Of course I want this to never happen to he again but I am just not sure I want to put her through more surgery right now and if I decide to I don't know where we will have to go.
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Reply #4 - Oct 22nd, 2007 at 10:15pm
 
Hi Tami,  Welcome to the mm family. I had by-pass surgery in 2003 I agree with Russ that the surgery does not mean anymore strokes but it does help. I have been stroke free since. I know that one day it will happen because there is no cure but I have learned to live one day at a time. I know you have alot to take in right now but I am sure will make the right decison for your daughter. You are both in my prayers.

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Reply #5 - Oct 23rd, 2007 at 12:53am
 
Tami,

I am sorry for what you are going through right now.  Unfortunately, many in the medical profession don't know much about moyamoya disease.  There are only a handfull of specialists across the United States who have any significant experience with it.

I just want to share that my daughter, Daphne,  suffered two strokes following heart surgery, when she was about 14 months old.  She was at Children's Hospital of Philadelphia - the no 1 rated Children's Hospital in the country.   She was diagnosed with Moyamoya disease;  however, after the second stroke, Daphne's neurologist did not believe she was a candidate for surgery, and - when asked what to expect - told us that she probably wouldn't live more than two weeks.   We hated for her to stay in the hospital and  took her home with hospice care

Thankfully, I found this group and did my own research.  I got in touch with Dr. Scott (in Boston) and Dr Steinberg (in Stanford), who were both encouraging.

Daphne underwent bilateral EDAS surgeries at Stanford, with Dr. Steinberg,  when she was 16 months old.  She sailed through surgery with few problems  (and just turned four years old this Oct 7th!!)  A test about a year after surgery showed that her blood flow had improved by over 200%.

I would highly recommend sending your daughter's studies to Dr.  Scott and/or Dr Steinberg.  Their opinion is free, and there are resources out there to help fund travel cost/ help navigate insurance.

I can only imagine what you're going through.  My husband lost a daughter (born during a previous marriage) prior to everything we went through with Daphne, and I know that what we went through affected him even more than it did me.
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Reply #6 - Oct 23rd, 2007 at 12:27pm
 
     Welcome to our group.I'm really sorry about your daughter's diagnosis but this is a wonderful group to help you through this.My daghter is 10 she was diagnosed at 5 yrs old.She was also born with Down syndrome.She suffered several strokes one very severe.I'm happy to say that she's recovering very well from the strokes and hasn't had anymore since her surgery. I agree that it would be wise to send your daughter's studies to one of the specialists listed on this board.My daughter's surgeries were at boston Chidlren's hospitla with Dr. Scott.Please feel free to ask away if you have any questions.I know how hard this all is to digest but if we can help let us know.
Mary Grace
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Reply #7 - Oct 23rd, 2007 at 8:44pm
 
Hi Tami and welcome to the MM family.

I can only begin to imagine what you are going through. I am sorry for the loss of your son however, there is hope for Jasmine and you can help Jasmine.

You are not in panic mode, you are in MOM mode and concerned for the well being of Jasmine.

Kotipup (Jenny) has been through this with her daughter Daphne and gave some very good and sound advice.  You can send Jasmine's films to either Dr. Scott or Dr. Steinberg for an expert MM opinion and there is no charge. Their contact information is listed under surgeons with MM experience or use the link to Stanford on the home page and that will take you to Dr. Steinberg's contact information. It is so very important that you get Jasmine's test results to a MM expert as the problem most of us face is the lack of knowledge among the medical community as it relates to MM rgardless of whre we live in the USA.

Surgery is the treatment for MM. There is no cure for MM yet.  The surgery doesn't guarantee no more strokes but it certainly minimizes the risk as the surgery puts the patient on a level playing ground meaning they have the same chance as any other person in terms of having a stroke.  Of course other factors come into play such as co-morbid conditions and lifestyle choices that can change the odds but that would apply to any person that may have other medical conditions and/or make less favorable lifestyle choices or even have a predisposed hereditary risk of stroke. The point is, MM is operable and an expert can make that decision and render an opinion based on Jasmine's current health status and condition.

Stay strong and know that you and Jasmine are in my thoughts. Please ask any questions and know that we are here to support you through your journey.

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Lore

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Reply #8 - Oct 23rd, 2007 at 10:53pm
 
Thankyou all so much.  I have only been here for a short time but the out pouring of support is wonderful.  It helps a lot to know that we are not alone and that there are more steps we can take.  Jasmine has an appointment with her Neuro on 10/30.  At that time I will ask him for her records or for him to forward whichever to the experts in this field.  I feel that the dr who said there is no surgery is not the best to determine if she is a candidate or not.  I have read much these past few weeks and Drs Steinberg and Scott come up often.  There are others who have done the surgery but so far these two are the only ones I find refered to as experts.  I would love for Dr. Steinberg to evaluate her.  I wonder though is it too soon after the first surgery? Or is time of the essence?  This is a great group, I was feeling so lost and alone and now I feel like I can see light at the end of the tunnel.
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Tami, Mom to Jasmine (13 DS & MM) and Ryan 11/28/82-11/28/99
 
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Reply #9 - Oct 24th, 2007 at 8:59am
 
Tami,

MMD is reported to be degenerative. The narrowing of the carotid artries continues over time. I have not read anything which indicates how fast this occurs so you may want to proceed as soon as possible.

Russ
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Reply #10 - Oct 24th, 2007 at 12:25pm
 
Tami, 1st sorry you are here, but glad you made it. You have come to the right spot. My son was diagnoised with MM about 1yr and 5 motnhs ago, We consider ourselves blessed, that he did not have a debilating stroke prior to surgery.   before surgery received at Stanford by DR. Steinberg he was having TIA's about once a week, since surgery, 1 st one was a year ago today he has had 2 minor TIA's......My opinion is that the surgery does work and I Thank my lucky stars every day for the support and help I got  and still get from this website.

Mike
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