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louise_and_Lydia
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my daughter Lydia is 1
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Jun 10th, 2005 at 7:18am
 
Hello, Smiley
I have just discovered this site.I live in the UK in Wales .My nine year old daughter Lydia was diagnosed with moyamoya at age 7 after having a stroke. An mri scan highlighted that she has had one previous stroke and has damage on both sides of the brain.
This has left her with weakness in the left arm and hand. Since then she has had no further stroke but suffers with occasional TIA s and very bad headaches.

The consultant feels surgery is not required as she has had no further strokes,so Lydia is being treated with oral medication which involves 75mg asprin and Flunarizine(which is a migraine treatment) daily.The Flunarizine has made Lydia put on weight which she is not too pleased with!!!!

I have a query re conigtive development.Lydia struggles in school and now has support and assistance, verbally she is very bright and advanced but her reading and writing and Mathamatical skills are at age 5. is this common and will her cognitive development deteriate as I have searched the internet and findings are unclear as to an answer?

Hope to hear from soneone soon, its great that there is a sight like this as one can feel on their own trying to research info on this rare disorder.

Love Louise

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Re: cognitive development
Reply #1 - Jun 10th, 2005 at 10:30am
 
Hi, Louise,

I would really recommend that you get another opinion about surgery as soon as possible, from a doctor who is experienced with Moyamoya disease (there's a section on this website that offers surgeon recommendations, and there are a couple from the UK).

From everything I've read and learned, medical management of moyamoya is not very effective long-term, and Lydia is at risk for having another stroke.

Also, surgery could improve blood flow, and many parents notice cognitive improvements in their children following surgery (we've already noticed some improvement in our 20 month old daughter's oral motor/ verbalization skills and she had indirect bypass surgeries in March).

I really feel like the risk of NOT having surgery is much greater than any risk of getting the surgery done.   I think you'll probably hear the same thing from others on this board.

Jenny (Daphne's mom.  www.daphnestory.com)
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Reply #2 - Jun 10th, 2005 at 10:48am
 
  I have to agree having the surgery is much less risky than not.Especialy since your daughter ahs already had a stroke and continues to have TIA's.From what I understand TIA's are the warning. My daughter ahd surgery at 5 yrs old.She ahd had several strokes one very severe.She was also born with Down syndrome.I have to tell you even given the fact that she has had to learn everything all over again after the strokes, she is making amazing progress both physically and cognitivly.She is reading at grade level(1st grade she's now 8 yrs old) and even doing 1st grade math and writting stories.She continues to surprise us everyday since ehr surgery.Her learning capabilities have grown every year especially given the fact that she aslo has the added dissability of Down Syndrome.Please I think everyone will give you the same advice to get a second opinion someone who specializes in Moyamoya,you can even send them your tests if you can't find one near you. Keep us posted.
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Reply #3 - Jun 10th, 2005 at 12:02pm
 
Louise,

It is very important that you get a second opinion. MM is a progressive disease. Without surgery the only outcome can be more strokes in time.

As far as Cognitive development, my son has always had a delay in reading and writing. Until his stroke, at age 11 years, he had been advanced in math, but now has a delay there as well. He is now 13 and had the surgery 7 months after diagnosis.

As you will find on this site, everyone has a different experience with MM. That is one reason doctors have so much trouble knowing what to do. The only thing the MM experts agree on it the need for surgery.

I will keep your family in my prayers, Rena
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Re: cognitive development
Reply #4 - Jun 10th, 2005 at 12:07pm
 
Welcome to our moyamoya family!

I would like to add the words of an expert on moyamoya disease. He is one of the leading pediatric Moyamoya specialists’ in our country. R. Michael Scott, M.D. Director of Clinical Pediatric Neurosurgery Children's Hospital in Boston. You'll find his opinion to be exactly what the others here have said. Dr. Scott states…

Is the disease a progressive one, and will my child's condition worsen with time?
All patients with moyamoya syndrome have progressive narrowing of their brain blood vessels over time, and I have never seen an exception to this rule after many years of studying these patients. Along with this progressive narrowing of the brain blood vessels, the patient's clinical condition will worsen also; this is why surgery to increase the brain's borderline blood supply is so important for these children.


Also, he states…
Medications are often helpful in reducing the headache that certain patients may suffer during various stages of the illness, but they need to be given under the supervision of a neurologist. It is important to understand, however, that no medications prevent the arterial narrowing process from progressing or keep the moyamoya vessels from developing, and I firmly believe that surgery is the mainstay of treatment for the syndrome.


http://www.boston-neurosurg.org/amphitheater/online.html

MM is a progressive disease, and waiting, you’re at risk for a devastating stroke. These are facts as we know them and unfortunately many have suffered the worst in waiting. We always advise a second opinion with an experienced mm specialist, because so many know so little about this disease, but a specialist will knows if it's wise to wait.

You'll be in my prayers.

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Reply #5 - Jun 10th, 2005 at 2:03pm
 
Hi Louise and Lydia!

I am the mother of Louise, 9 years old dignosed with moyamoya in Oct 2002. We live in Sweden where there is very little knowledge of this disease but were lucky to see a neurosurgeon who was wise enough to ask an expert from Boston Children Hospital, Dr Scott, and in Dec. 2002 my daughter had indirect bypass-surgery done on both sides of her brain.
Early in this process I learned that surgery is the only successful long-term treatment with this disease and the thought of brain-surgery on my baby nearly scared me to insanity. But we had no other choice than to go for surgery and today she is a healthy, normal 9-year-old girl with hardly any symtoms at all.
So I would advice you to please seek a second opinion for your daughter.
Good luck and remember that I´ll be thinking of you.

Take care

Annica
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Reply #6 - Jun 10th, 2005 at 2:22pm
 
I can't tell you how important it is to go get a second opinion.  I have never heard of any cases of moyamoya just disappearing.  Now I will admit that mine calmed down some for a couple of months, but then it came back again.  You are NEVER free from this disease. 

PPPLLLLEEEEAAAASSSEEEE go get a second opinion.  All of us on this website are here to help with any questions that you may have.  And read, read, read everything you can here.  It is a wealth of information.   This is very important! 

I'm glad you found us here I'll be praying for you all.

Michelle

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Reply #7 - Jun 10th, 2005 at 2:26pm
 
Hi Louise.

I can tell you about my Cara..all this started when she was 2.5....."shes not ready for surgery" was always what they told us...she'd go six months symptom free then have a "spell", more tests, same comment...another six months symptom free....when on and on.

Cara was very bright, very sharp...very aware of the littlest of the little details...was amazing...and yes...it all went down hill over time to a point when her latest "spell" was stronger (about 5.5 years old)...we decided to go for second opinion after school was out..she was in kindergarten...she was slurring words,  her writing got messy, she started to have trouble reading after learning lots first part of kindergarten....then school ended...we went to the Mayo in Rochester and they highly recommended surgery within the month !!!!  So she had her first (right side)...in recovery she had a stroke on the left side showing her left side was fragile....she could not use her right hand, arm, leg...that stroke took away her personality and expressions...she had no care of anything, no fear of anything, as Daddy's girl..never asked about Daddy, ....was the scariest, saddest time for our family....she just sat there neither happy to see someone or sad when we left..........but 5 weeks between the first and second surgeries she had six hours to physical, occupational therapies...got stronger and stronger...smiled a litttttle bit but still not our Cara.
She and I head back to Rochester for surgery #2....I m more scared than ever but know that we have no choice.    Surgery was a breeze compared to first...she was asking for Mommy in recovery....they told me...I said are you serious cuz she never did.    She saw me, smiled, laughed...asked about Daddy, brothers...I couldn't believe it..was moving both arms, very alert....as if that surgery on her left gave back something.    Five days later we flew home...to a crowd waiting for us  (her three brothers, their girlfriends, Daddy....from down the walkway beyond the security...she was waving so wildly, so happy to see everyone...and they ALLLLLLLL with mouths open...."Cara's BACK....I mean her old self"   We had lots of rough spots though recovering...but each time she got stronger, and continues to do so....now at seven...is almost a seven year old....rather than at six was more like a four year old.    Everyone is different, a stroke could strike at different locations of the brain so there is no case that one can compare to itself...varies too much.....but this I can say....second opinion is definitely a MUST.....a MUST.

my prayers to you and your family,  CarasMOM
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Warm Hugs and Prayers, CarasMOM (Carol)
 
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My 11 year old Cara has
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Re: cognitive development
Reply #8 - Jun 10th, 2005 at 2:33pm
 
She returned to Kindergarten the second time...bounced back to about 80% of her old skills by end of Kindergarten...is going to first grade next year...is a year older than everyone in her class...but little behind in figuring things out but will catch up with her...has full time speech therapy.......Cara was also adopted...from Guatemala...so she's very petite anyway and fit right in with her classmates who were six...some are much taller.   She'll be a great leader as time goes on.

Just remember that lack of arteries in the brain, less blood flow mean less oxgyen getting the brain...will definitely deteriorate their thinking process (in Cara's case it did)...may not happen in your daughter's case...but just don't wait for it to happen either.

Cara even had moments when she knew what she was doing...then all of sudden couldn't figure out...was in daze...then I'd question it...then it'll be ok again...now thinking...we should have gotten help sooner...even though she looked great.

Smiley  CarasMOM
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