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Jun 24th, 2005 at 5:11pm
 
Greetings,
First, thank you very much DJ for developing this website! I have been lurking around here for a few weeks now and have found the information very helpful. My wife was recently diagnosed with Moyamoya and is preparing for what we are told be 2 surgeries.

Finally.. my (winded) question: In 1999 my wife was diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis, a loosing battle thus far. She was recently hospitalized following a series of grandmal seizures and what our "new" neurologist (Dr. Mavis Fujji, Clear Lake TX) said were TIA's not MS exacerbations. Dr. Fujji suspected Moyamoya and sent us to a neurovasular specialist at Baylor Medical Center whom comfirmed the Moyamoya.  We have a great team of Docs now, all of which are doubting she even has Multiple Sclerosis, but say the surgeries are critical and we don't have time to re-visit the MS diagnosis at this time.  I'm wondering if anybody here has been misdiagnosed as having Multiple Sclerosis?

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Re: MS Misdiagnosis?
Reply #1 - Jun 24th, 2005 at 5:34pm
 
Hi Casey,

First of all, welcome to the board!  I'm sure you will find great support here as you go through the MM process.

I was misdiagnosed with early stage MS 2 years before I was diagnosed with Moyamoya.  For some gut reason I was never satisfied with that original diagnosis and pushed for further evaluations and tests by different doctors.  Glad I did!  This is not to say that one could possibly have both diseases but I will sure hope and pray that your wife finds that the MS diagnosis was wrong as it's easier (long-term anyway) to treat the MM.  I personally think her doctors are on the right track with placing the surgeries on the front burner at this time and reevaluating the MS afterwards.  I'm equally happy to hear that the new neurologist was on his/her toes and "suspected" MM!  So many don't even give this disease a second thought!  Bravo Dr. Fujji!

Hang in there as it sounds like you all are on the right path.

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Reply #2 - Jun 24th, 2005 at 6:07pm
 
Thank you so much for your reply Lisa! It is very comforting to know that MM could be mistaken as MS. We'll find out eventually.

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Reply #3 - Jun 24th, 2005 at 9:23pm
 
Hi Friz,  Smiley Welcome to our MM family!

I just thought I'd mention that my niece was misdiagnosed with MS as well, and I talked to many on here who were at first diagnosed with MS, then MM, and only to find in most all the cases it was a misdioagnosis, and not MS at all.

Please don't hesitate to let us know if we can be of any help. Both you and your wife are in my thoughts and prayers.

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Re: MS Misdiagnosis?
Reply #4 - Jun 25th, 2005 at 10:53am
 
Hi Casey -

Welcome to our MM Family.  I think many of the MM symptoms present like MS - especially to a doctor who has never heard of MM before.  When I first went to my primary care doctor with symptoms (later diagnosed as MM) I was sent for an MRI/MRA to rule out MS.  It's great that you found a doctor who diagnosed MM.  We always strongly suggest going to a MM specialist.

Good luck to you and your wife!  When are her surgeries??

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Re: MS Misdiagnosis?
Reply #5 - Jun 25th, 2005 at 1:36pm
 
Hi Casey,

Welcome to the group.  My daughter is only 20 months old, so she wasn't misdiagnosed with MS; however her doctors did suspect she had a mitochondrial or neurodegenerative disorder.

When we were out at Stanford having her surgeries, Dr. Steinberg told us that he sees patients all the time who were misdiagnosed as having MS, or similar diseases, when they really had Moyamoya.

I hope everything works out well for your wife.  I know that for us, learning that Daphne had moyamoya, and that the disease was treatable, was really a releif.

Jenny (mom to Daphne   www.daphnestory.com)
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Reply #6 - Jun 26th, 2005 at 1:02am
 
Hi Casey....

....very common to be misdiagnosed with the wrong thing before they get the final diagnosis correct.  They were worried "I" had MS...but couldnt verify with MRI because I had a magnet in my head for the cochlear impant....so the day before they were to do the magnet removal, wheel me to the MRI, and then back to OR to put back the magnet....they did a final test....by then I was almost in a wheelchair (falling down up to 30 times a day)...a doctor thought I may have pernicious anemia (B12 defiency)...I said that is what my Dad has...they all went...OH my GOD...forget the surgery...lets give you B12 shots for 10 days straight...I came back but have lots of nerve damage.

Cara's diagnosis was many things because she did not show the "classic MM symptoms"....they must have had a list of 20 different things.....kept being narrowed down as she went through stages when she had no symptoms.

I have a friend who actually has MS...but was misdiagnosed as having a B12 defiency...and the b12 shots was actually making it worse for her.   But having been on a B12 defiency website (actually is call peripheral neuropathy)...and they say that B12 shots may actually make it feel worse while you are healing (healing process takes up to YEARS !!!!).

Feel free to PM me if you have any questions.

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Reply #7 - Jun 26th, 2005 at 1:27pm
 
Thank you all for the support! You are a wonderful group!

My wife Jamie (aka "Mikey"  ;Grin) just finished here second day of blood flow testing (Friday) and we are waiting for the first surgery date to be performed by Dr. James Rose in Houston.  Dr. Rose has been mentioned a couple times in the forums here and we feel very fortunate to have him on our team (he really does humm a tune!).

MS or not, I plan to document this process and later publish on the web as many of you have.  It's wonderful to know that we're not alone.  And just maybe one more story out there might get a neurologist to scratch their head and take a second look?  MM might not be as rare as statistics indicate?

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Reply #8 - Jun 28th, 2005 at 9:32pm
 


  I had gone on for the past two years believing I had M.S... finally had changed medical plans & had been guided to a young neurologist who after ordering several different tests for me, had the sense to look for moya moya ?

  Its strange how mm & ms can mimic eachother.

  Thank God the doctors we have now, have directed us on the right paths.... Special prayers & blessings to them, for if not for their hands & minds guided by Gods wisdom, we would not be here discussing moya moya treatments, options & recovery !

  Thanks mostly to you DJ for having enough empathy for your fellow man to share your story & bring hope to others.... God Bless you too !!!

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Reply #9 - Jul 25th, 2005 at 10:18pm
 
Wow, an interesting thread to be sure!   Shocked

While MM is something that I am still VERY green about as far as learning, MS is something that I have come to understand and have studied since my diagnoses in 1986. 

(DJ, I promise, I won't turn this into an MS message board link!)  HAHA   Smiley

MS is a disease of the central nervous system.  Multiple Sclerosis attacks the myelin sheath that is a coating of protection around your nerve endings, much like the insulation around an electrical chord.  When MS eats away at the myelin to the point that it reaches the nerve itself, it leaves an "imprint" on the nerve known as a lesion.  A lesion shows up on an MRI as a white shadow, or white dot.

For a CORRECT, confirmed diagnosis of Multiple Sclerosis, an MRI *MUST* show a minimum of three lesions, be it an MRI of the brain, spine, or pelvis.  An MRI showing one or two lesions should be correctly diagnosed as a demylinating disease or disorder, but not the label of MS. 

Please understand, that I am no doctor.  I have researched this disease for more years than I care to remember.  Hehe 

Why some neurologists like to raise to a Dx before they know for sure, I don't think any of us will ever know.  I can't possibly imagine, after seeing (many many) MRIs of MS and MRIs of MM, that a doctor could have a Dx that far off.  Perhaps it might be that the radiologists didn't reccognize what MM looks like?

I am sorry to hear that there are a group of you here that went through this misdiagnosis.  There seems to be more than enough information and research on MS to this date, that sincerely, there is no need to have it missed or worse, misdiagnosed.   Sad Cry

The only other thing that I might suggest is make sure that your neurologists are personally looking at your MRIs, instead on simply relying on the reports of the radiologists.  Nothing personal against radiologists, honest, but we are talking about two life-altering diseases.

Neurologists have also used other tests, such as spinal taps, certain T1 cell research, etc. to diagnose MS, but as good as those tests are, they can show problems that MS can bring on, but can not eliminate other probems as being the cause(s) as well.
(OK DJ, I'm done - maybe.)   Smiley Smiley

I hope that this information is of some help to you.

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Reply #10 - Aug 1st, 2005 at 4:53pm
 
hey my name is judy and i was misdiagnosed with ms also they first said in st joseph medical center i had moya moya when i went to hershey for surgery they said i had ms finaly i went found another nuerologist
in philly Einstien medical center and they said no this is definetly moya moya between the time when i got all these diagnoses 3 diffrent times the moya moya spread to the right side so the neurologist in philly said the surgery could be more harmfull i still dont understand cause i went through so much and for nothing i have a strong feeling it was cause of insurance i never got a answer but now they said i need to find one closer to me cause i live in reading ,pa and i dont have a car so im stuck with these doctors who seem to know NOTHING AT ALL about mm.
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Reply #11 - Aug 3rd, 2005 at 12:10pm
 
Hello, My name is Joani. I am being "watched" for having ms for the past year now. I have had several MRI's which have had no changes consisting w/ ms.  I do however still have some symptoms... numbness in hands, part of my legs stuff like that & yes horrible headachs- just 2 or 3 in the past year. THis was all brought on by a case of "bells palsey" a year ago. with the Bells palsey I had numbness in my right side of body.  I am now having different blood tests done to check other things out "cerebrovascular" diseases??? Is there any tests to tell my neurologist to run that may shed some light on this???  He is really a "laid back" kind of doctor but really the only doctor with in hours of where we live???
My son "Vinny" who is 3 also has neurological disorder. We do not know what caused his??? He had a stressful delivery & was sick after birth (RSV). He is doing great now but he is delayed in milestones, they tried to tell me that he had ""leukodystrophy" which he does not.  His neurologists up state here in Delaware would look into anything I suggest if I have more info on it...  ANy info would be helpful. Thank you so much for your time!
Joani  (Tnjn2@msn.com)
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Re: MS Misdiagnosis?
Reply #12 - Aug 4th, 2005 at 6:43pm
 
Hi Joani  -

I would urge your doctor to consider moyamoya.  The definitive test to diagnose MM is a cereberal angiogram.  I also urge you to get a second opinion.  Even if you trust your neuro, it's a good idea to get a second opinion just to be sure.

I hope you find the answers your looking for.  Please know that we are here to support you and try to answer questions!

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Reply #13 - Aug 11th, 2005 at 9:53pm
 
I was misdiagnosed with MS (after MRI) in May 05.  Then diagnosed with cerebrial vasculitis (after MRA), then finally moyamoya after a cerebrial angiogram.  Was told: no known cure, no treatment.  Thank God for DJ and the world wide web! lsuvia
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Reply #14 - Aug 11th, 2005 at 11:08pm
 
Dear Isuvia,

Welcome to our MM family!  I am SO glad you found your way here, and good for you for not accepting the "no cure, no treatment" verdict!

I am the mom of an 18 year old girl who was diagnosed 15 months ago.  Fortunately for us, we live within driving distance of Stanford and one of the top MM specialists in the country.  Tara had her surgeries in June 2004, and is doing very well.

MS and vasculitis seem to be two very common misdiagnoses for MM.  A number of people here have experienced this problem.

The biggest thing you can learn from this site is to seek the expertise of a specialist - this means a doctor who deals with MM on a daily basis.  There are many great neurosurgeons out there, but most have little or no experience with this disease.  Do your homework, educate yourself, and realize that MM is progressive.  You shouldn't delay too long in moving forward.  The objective is to obtain treatment (surgery) before a catastrophic event, such a stroke happens.

Good luck to you as you start figuring out your plan of action.  I would be happy to offer whatever support and/or information I can, so don't hesitate to ask away, o.k.?  You will be added to my prayers.

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Joani wrote on Aug 3rd, 2005 at 12:10pm:
Hello, My name is Joani. I am being "watched" for having ms for the past year now. I have had several MRI's which have had no changes consisting w/ ms.  I do however still have some symptoms... numbness in hands, part of my legs stuff like that & yes horrible headachs- just 2 or 3 in the past year. THis was all brought on by a case of "bells palsey" a year ago. with the Bells palsey I had numbness in my right side of body.  I am now having different blood tests done to check other things out "cerebrovascular" diseases??? Is there any tests to tell my neurologist to run that may shed some light on this???  He is really a "laid back" kind of doctor but really the only doctor with in hours of where we live???
My son "Vinny" who is 3 also has neurological disorder. We do not know what caused his??? He had a stressful delivery & was sick after birth (RSV). He is doing great now but he is delayed in milestones, they tried to tell me that he had ""leukodystrophy" which he does not.  His neurologists up state here in Delaware would look into anything I suggest if I have more info on it...  ANy info would be helpful. Thank you so much for your time!
Joani  (Tnjn2@msn.com)

Hi Joani,
I am sorry that you are having problems with your Dx, as well as your sons.   Sad  Sometimes, it's the not knowing that can drive us CrAzY!   Smiley
Have the doctors ever made mention of "plaques" or "legions" on your MRI scans?  If they are looking for MS, have they done MRI scans on your spine and pelvis as well? 
We all wish you the best with your Dx.  Please keep us posted.

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Reply #16 - Aug 12th, 2005 at 10:37pm
 
lsuvia wrote on Aug 11th, 2005 at 9:53pm:
I was misdiagnosed with MS (after MRI) in May 05.  Then diagnosed with cerebrial vasculitis (after MRA), then finally moyamoya after a cerebrial angiogram.  Was told: no known cure, no treatment.  Thank God for DJ and the world wide web! lsuvia

Hi Isuvia,

It amazes me after all of the years of "shock" that I have run into with actually having MS, that things like this can come along and still surprise me.

I just can't see how a neurologist can make that large of a diagnosive error.   Sad  MS is so much different than MM.  To see them side by side on an MRI, the differences are much more than obvious.  I know that probably sounds kind of arrogant, but knowing that people with MM have had to deal with a misdiagnosis of MS and not being able to seek any kind of help tends to fry me a bit...   Shocked

The very best of luck to you in finding the Drs and treatments that you need.  It sounds like you have all ready had a good deal of the medical run around.   Sad

The people here at Moyamoya.com are very knowledgable about the disease and can help guide you in the right directions.  I thank the good Lord for this web site every day!

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