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Re: Follow ups
Sep 15th, 2005 at 10:43am
 
Good morning to all,

I have notice that almost everyone talks about follow-ups. My husband has had one and only because our local ER thought he had bleeding on the brain after a seizure and had him overnighted to Stanford. (They of course misread the CT and my husband was fine)

But I was wondering if he should be seen. I have also notice that others have EEG, MRA done. What are they? I know these seem like odd questions but we really have had nothing explained to us.

We had found out my husband had MM at the end of May of this year, we found Dr. Steinberg who confirmed he had MM and he was scheduled for surgery at the end of June and his second one at the beginning of July of this year. When he was released they didn't inform us of what to expect or ask to see Bob in any follow-up?  Smiley

Even when he was overnighted -- by the way I do keep Teresa posted of Bob's progress -- I have even asked her when they would like to see Bob again and she said they would call when he would need to be seen again?

We feel lost at knowing what to expect and as mentioned previously I have noticed others having tests done.

Even our local neuro that my husband seen prior to his surgeries, he won't even return our calls - I left about 4 with him -- his answering machine is on constantly no matter what time of the day!!

Anyway if someone could let me know what these different tests are I would appreciate it.

Terry


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Re: Follow ups
Reply #1 - Sep 15th, 2005 at 11:14am
 
Hi Terry,

What I've seen from Stanford patients is that they are usually seen for follow-up testing somewhere between 3 and 6 months after surgery.  Tara had hers at 3 1/2 months, but it seems to be more in the 5-6 month range for patients returning from out of town.

I sent you a private message a couple of days ago.  Hope you received it!  I'm sorry to hear that you guys had to come back, but glad it was just a scare.  I hope things continue to improve for Bob.  Sometimes it's a long haul . . . .

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Reply #2 - Sep 15th, 2005 at 11:38am
 
Hi Jill,

So nice to hear from you and no I didn't receive your other email.

I guess we will wait to hear from Stanford then?

Bob is improving everyday though. Continual headaches though. It progresses to where he needs a shot between every 4 to 6 days now instead of every 2. He is now walking without his walker and is actually trying to work. He does one job a day and he is really exhausted after that. I have been printing posts from the MM site and taking them home for him to read.

I can tell he enjoys them, he feels very fortunate that his migraines and sometimes a hard time speaking (finding words) are his only problems at this point but he enjoys reading others experiences because it lets him not feel so alone in this situation.

We don’t have the internet at home so I try to print off what I can and take it home for him to read.

Well I better get back to work. Thank you so much for your concern. It is appreciated.

Thanks.  ;Grin

Terry
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Reply #3 - Sep 15th, 2005 at 12:22pm
 
Hi Terry,

To answer your question about follow-up testing, I too wonder when should I have what done.  Besides my recent post about a TCU, I was also wondering when others had their angiogram post-surgery.  Smiley  My guess is that there must be like a guideline of somesort that MM specialists follow regarding routine follow-up procedures, but as we all know, since our cases are all different...symptoms, other health issues, geographical situations, etc., may warrant additional or more frequent testing than others.  

From what I've read and been told, angiograms usually take place 6-12 months post-op.  Usually 12 months is recommended for in-direct surgeries to allow time for regrowth.  A local neurosurgeon wanted me to have an angiogram done 6 months post-op, but I've decided to wait closer to a year (recommended by my dr that performed my surgery) since I not only had 2 direct, but 1 indirect as well.  Six months is too early to detect if any tissue/cell regrowth was successful, and I'd rather not (if not necessary) have 2 angiograms so close together.  (Personally, they terrify me!)  Shocked

I've had an MRA and CTA done post-op due to symptoms, so I'm not sure if this is routine.  I do think, though, that an EEG is routine to see if someone is having seizures...but then again, this is all my guess.  I would suggest trying to get in contact with Teresa again (or Jolie). And from what you wrote, I'd maybe even consider finding another local neuro..one that returns your phone calls!  Angry  Is this who Bob has been seeing locally post-op?

One of the best things about this site that I  Smiley is that we're able to learn more about MM by sharing our own and hearing about others' experiences!

Great post.  I hope this helped.  Remember, this is all  Smiley.  I look forward to reading others' responses as well.

Take care,
Shan

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Re: Follow ups
Reply #4 - Sep 15th, 2005 at 4:24pm
 
Shan,

In reading your email, I don't know what those tests are?

TCU, EEG, MRA and CTA  Smiley

My husband had a direct bypass graph. How would that be different from yours?

Everything happened very, very fast with my husband. His doctor believed he had this MM by mid May of this year, I had to learn how to use the internet to even find out what it was, and by being extremely fortunate I was able to find Dr. Steinberg and have my husband scheduled for surgery all with in about 35 days. So I have been on a real stress ride.

Now that he is slowly getting better, and I am actually able to realize what was/is going on, now I am actually asking questions.

So if you could explain those tests it would be most appreciated.

Thanks.

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Reply #5 - Sep 15th, 2005 at 4:40pm
 
Terry,

I am sorry you haven't heard back about when to test.  Daphne had her follow-up tests last week, and her surgeries were in March (in Stanford).  They didn't schedule us until about a month before they wanted to see us, but we did at least have the guideline of September -- knowing that they wanted to see us about 6 months post-op.

Daphne had an angiogram, and two SPECTs (which is a little like an MRI, but looks at blood flow).  Since Daphne had an MRA only about 6 to 8 weeks beforehand, they opted not to repeat this test, although I think most Stanford patients also get one.  An MRA just stands for MR Angiogram... it is like an MRI, but looks at the arteries, as well as the structure of the brain.

An EEG is the test where they stick electrodes on your head, and record the electrical activity of the brain.  I don't think this is routinely done in MM patients, unless there is evidence of seizures.   My daughter has a history of seizures, and has many, many of these tests.  They are painless, but why get one if you don't need one  Wink

I agree with Shan about finding a new local neuro.  Preferably one who has seen other MM patients.  Good luck... I hope you get some more guidance from Stanford soon.

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Re: Follow ups
Reply #6 - Sep 15th, 2005 at 4:48pm
 
Hi Terry,

I'm still learning as I go, but the following information below is what I've found online.  Another excellent source of information is right here on this site. ;Grin Just scroll through old threads/topics.  In fact, that's exactly how I found out more about EEGs and TCUs.  If anybody else can add or shed more light, please do so... Wink

TCU/Transcranial Doppler Ultrasound: TCD is a non-invasive ultrasound method used to examine the blood circulation within the brain.
http://www.clevelandclinic.org/health/health-info/docs/0100/0159.asp?index=4998&src=news

EEG/Electroencephalogram: Brain wave test
An electroencephalogram (EEG) is a test to detect abnormalities in the electrical activity of the brain.
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/003931.htm


MRA/Magnetic Resonance Angiography: (MRA) is an MRI study of the blood vessels. It utilizes MRI technology to detect, diagnose and aid the treatment of heart disorders, stroke, and blood vessel diseases. MRA provides detailed images of blood vessels without using any contrast material, although a special form of contrast material is often given to make the MRI images even clearer. The procedure is painless, and the magnetic field is not known to cause tissue damage of any kind.
http://www.radiologyinfo.org/content/mr-angiography.htm#Description


CTA/Computed Tomography Angiography: CT Angiography depicts brain blood vessels, revealing aneurysms and occlusion.  
http://www.radiologyinfo.org/content/ct_of_the_head.htm


I hope this helps.  Again, this is just what I've found online.  I'd look through previous threads to actually see how others' have dealt with these types of procedures too. Wink

Take care,
Shan  Smiley
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Reply #7 - Sep 15th, 2005 at 4:52pm
 
ooops.  I just noticed Jenny already answered your questions (in a way that is easier to understand too  Wink).

Thanks!  ;Grin

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Reply #8 - Sep 15th, 2005 at 4:54pm
 
Jenny,

I have a question.  I've never had a SPECT done, but I've read about it here. I've also read about another MM patient here in Hawaii that had to do one w/Diamox (?) Is this type of test routine?  Smiley I'm looking up more info on this as we speak, and from what I'm reading, a SPECT seems to be more accurate.  Is that correct as far as you know? Anybody else have insight to this?
"CT and MRI provide detailed information on the structure of the brain. However, in many patients the symptoms cannot be completely explained by anatomic changes, or these scans may appear normal. Brain SPECT can often give your physician important information on blood flow that would not be available through these other diagnostic techniques."

http://www.amershamhealth-us.com/patient/diaguide/spect.html

Do most MM patients have a SPECT done?  I haven't, so now I'm just wondering...hmmmm Smiley

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Re: Follow ups
Reply #9 - Sep 15th, 2005 at 5:14pm
 
Terry,
Hi! Cheesy I am sorry to hear that you have been give so little information regarding medical procedures and follow-up dates.  If this make you feel better, Stanford had yet to schedule my post-op exam.  They told me around 6 months, so sometime in February we will be out there.  I imagine Bob is the same? But, that is just a guess!

As far as the tests go:

An MRA is done during an MRI.  It is just like an MRI except it looks at arteries instead of tissue.  So, MRIs look at tissue and MRAs look at arteries.  They usually use a contrast during an MRA and watch where the dye goes.  This helps them to be able kind of highlight the arteries, watching the dye flow through the arteries.  They often do these without the patient even knowing it has been done, while they do an MRI.

An EEG is a test done to measure the brain's electrical waves.  It can tell a doctor, as Shan said, if a person is prone to or having seizures.  I had one done after a seizure.  They stick electrodes on the patient's head and then flash lights and other things.  It is painless and boring!

A TCU is the test that Bob had done on the days following his surgeries.  Remember when the woman came by and rolled the small instrument along his incisions?  It measures the rate of blood flow thru his newly bypassed brain's vessels.

Also, Shan spoke of having an "indirect bypass".  I am not too familiar with that surgery, but I think instead of directly attaching one artery to another, they attach a piece of muscle or something that will spread "roots" and bring more blood supply to a starved brain. Bob and I had only direct bypasses. Shan should explain this later.  I do know it is a more painful surgery.

I remember the pain meds Bob was on in the hospital and I spoke with one of my doctors about it and he said it really lower the seizure threshold (make Bob more likely to have a seizure). 

It sounds like he is slowly getting better. That is wonderful! ;Grin. Give him and yourself big hugs from me.Smiley

Glad to hear from you! 
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Reply #10 - Sep 15th, 2005 at 5:32pm
 
Shan,

Daphne had two SPECTs done at Stanford.  One with diamox, and one without.  We were told that one was with a vasodillator (sp?  something that dillates blood vessels), and that one was without it.   I don't know why they need both, but this seems to be pretty routinely done at Stanford  Undecided

We haven't had the results from Daphne's latest SPECTs, yet, but her first SPECT looked pretty bad.  There was very little blood flow to the left side of Daphne's brain, and her left hemisphere was actually 20% smaller than her right.

I guess the angiogram tells you if new blood vessells are growing in, or if the surgical graft is working, where the SPECT shows you the areas of the brain that are getting good blood supply (or not).

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Reply #11 - Sep 15th, 2005 at 8:10pm
 
Terry/Jenny:

Thanks for your question/response about when to do follow up!  I too was told that the follow up will be 6 months if you do not have major complications (they may request you to come earlier).  However, I had no idea that Jenny,you scheduled this only 1 month before hand.  Michelle said she had scheduled hers about 2 months beforehand.  I have been trying to schedule mine for November, and need to put in my request for vacation (which I have to do far in advance unfortunately).  However, it seems everyone is out or swamped!  I have been trying to get a hold of someone at Stanford who can schedule my follow ups so I can put in for my time off.  AUGH! 

Not that I am actually looking forward to the angiogram, but hey, it has to be done, right?  Smiley

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Reply #12 - Sep 16th, 2005 at 2:59pm
 
Hello!

I recently had a follow up MRI and then another with contrast.  My neurologist wanted to make sure I had not had a stroke or a bleed due to some problems I was experiencing.  I had seizures after my first surgery and had an EEG performed and guess what - the seizures did not register!!but I was having them. Undecided  I have been released from my neurosurgeon until the 12 mth period at which point there will be more testing but so far things look okay.

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Reply #13 - Sep 16th, 2005 at 10:09pm
 
Linda,

Concerning your EEG, it came out negative, but in actuality you were really having seizures? Was another test done that caught it?

Jus' wondering...
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Reply #14 - Sep 17th, 2005 at 12:53pm
 

Shan,

No the Dr. took did some stat blood work and then put me on IV and shot me full of dilantin and that did the trick.  I could start talking and reading and began to understand what was being said to me again.

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Reply #15 - Sep 18th, 2005 at 1:34pm
 
Shan,

As I thought about what I posted it did not make much sense Tongue  After my first surgery I had numbness on my right side - I used to get this when I was a kid - focal seizures they said - well on the way to the neurosurgeon I got out enough speech to tell my husband "seizure" therefor he did the EEG.

I hope this clears things up a bit!

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