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mg12061
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maybe a list would help
Oct 25th, 2005 at 10:09am
 
  I may be the only one in need of something like this but I'de love to see some kind of list of symptoms that you all may have after surgery.If you remember my earlier post I was fustrated by not being able to help the school understand Kathleen and this disease and how it may be affecting her even after 3 yrs and maybe forever. my fustration isn't as much with the school I guess as it is with this disease.I try my best to forget about it, but I think it effects Kathleen more than anyone realises, but she just can't tell us.There's no test to tell what she feels throughout her day.Some days she's 100% and others maybe 40% on track.You all know from experience what may change from day to day to cause distraction exhaustion and just "not feeling great".It may not be a "pain" that she can point to so this makes it hard to ask her what's wrong.Thsi may help us to be "fair" in our expectations.And to anticipate the need to rest or take a break.Any input is welcome no matter how small you think it may be.Even a little numbness(something I've heard happens to many people even well after the surgery).may be enough to make her not feel great especially since she can't tell anyone and doesn't know what it is.Am I making any sense???LOLI don't want to assume everything is MM realted and let her get out of doing her work just be fair to her.Thanks for all your help so far!!!!
mary Grace
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Re: maybe a list would help
Reply #1 - Oct 25th, 2005 at 1:02pm
 
It has only been a year for me and I am a extremly lucky case. So I hope this helps. I am in collage geting by BS in Chemistry so I know how hard school can be on "bad" days, even if my " bad " day are not as bad as others on this sight.

The "bad " day list for a underqualified MM.
1. Ackes and "sleepyness in the leg and sometimes arm on the side I had my stroke.

2. Which causes the leg to limp form extremly knotaceable to not so bad.

3. Unablility to come up with Any way to explaine oneself. ex: How are you? normal responce: "Very fine and you?" Bad day responce: "Huh? oh okay"

4. Forget about school and a realy bad day just stay home! it was a wast of time and I almost got into an acident driving home!!

5.Slowed reactions (driving, answering questions) It was almost like I was drunk how slow my reaction times were.

6. the migeanes!!!!!!

Well I hope this helps a bit. My theropist says that on bad days I shold just take it easy and do things at a slow pase and not try to rush. when I talk try to use veary small words and may be even point to things I want. My husband and I know a bit of extreemly basic sign language and that seems to help when I get muddedel.

Good luck
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Reply #2 - Oct 25th, 2005 at 1:21pm
 
Wow Becky Thank you soooooo much this is exactly what I'm looking for.Someone to list what she could be feeling on "bad" days.If you don't mind I will use your exact words.Thank you thank you....Thanks ahead for any other info anyone can contribute...
Mary Grace
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Reply #3 - Oct 25th, 2005 at 7:05pm
 
Hi Mary Grace,
I have been extremely lucky that I have no residual damage from any of my strokes and can honestly say I don't experience "bad" days due to MM.
I occasionally get a little numbness in my left fingers and I still suffer from bad headaches. I still can't remember words I need to say if I am under pressure to respond instantly, but the words do come back to me after. As a result I don't feel I am as fluent and articulate with my speaking as I used to be, but my mum-in-law commented the other day that she could no longer pick any hesitation in my speech.
The only other thing that I have noticed is my writing is not as good as it used to be either. I do calligraphy and used to be a draftswoman and my writing is important to me but it is more of a scrawl now and if I am writing in a hurry the words sometimes don't make sense and I have  trouble trying to put letters in the right order!
But these are just minor things and they don't bother me or hinder my everyday life. I have 2 kids and a very active life, so there is life after MM surgery
Hope this helps
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Re: maybe a list would help
Reply #4 - Oct 25th, 2005 at 10:41pm
 
Hi Mary Grace,

I mentioned in an earlier post that I make a list of the different symptoms Kevin (Cubbie) experiences so here goes.

As you are aware, Kevin had a significant stroke which affected his speech and abstract thinking. When one does not have abstract thinking, one cannot drive a car, watch TV, read a book or watch a movie because it makes no sense. Kevin has been in therapy and is doing much better with his abstract thinking.

The stroke caused Kevin to have "high" anxiety. This results in not being able to focus or concentrate and causes stress to the point he can't be around people because they make him nervous. I believe, since his stroke, he just can't process all that information at once. It reminds me of over stimulation of a young baby or child.

Kevin has good days and bad days. Not every day is the same. Some days he can't speak, can't think, can't function, can't remember and can't concentrate. That is aphasia. Sometimes he has twitches, tremors (his tremors are worse on some days than on others) he gets numbness in his hands and extremeties. Kevin can't multi-task and on some days he can't do one task. Sometimes he has pain in his leg/hip and maybe a headache.

It appears Kevin is on a roller coaster ride.  He can take two steps forward and take three steps backward. Kevin has not had TIA's that we are aware of since his double bypass surgery in May. He has had rapid eye movement (like seizure activity) but we determined that was from a drug he was taking to help him sleep.  That is another problem. Often moyamoya patients have sleep and visual disturbances. Symptoms are different for each individual but it appears, Kevin experiences alot of different symptoms randomly and there seems to be no particular rhyme or reason.

I know how frustrating this can be to someone like myself who is with Kevin everyday and is familiar with moyamoya. I can only imagine how strange or odd or even weird it is to someone who is not familar with moyamoya and the many symptoms one can have and how one day they seem normal and the very next day they are just the opposite.  Like I mentioned earlier, there seems to be no rhyme or reason.

Moyamoya is a progressive disease. We know there is no cure. So when I really think about it, all the different symptoms that may or may not occur seem to be "the nature of the beast". I have always thought, with moyamoya it is not a question of "if" something will occur, it is a question of "when" something will occur.

Mary Grace, I hope this helps you and little Kathleen. Like I said, I know just how frustrating this can be. I also know how frustrating it can be to try and explain it to someone else. I have had docotrs look at me like I was half crazy when I explain to them what Kevin is experiencing. Keep in mind, the doctore in this area are clueless about moyamoya so why would I think they would know what it is like. So, I keep a journal and write the date and time and symptoms and then hand it to them. They just shake their heads. Only a moyamoya specialist or a doctor familar with the disease can relate to this random symptom thing.

Keep in mind, Kevin can tell me (usually) what is going on. If he can't speak, then I know he is "locked up" for whatever reason. Kathleen may not necessarily be able to verbalize what is going on so it is most likely a constant guessing game for you.

Best wishes to you and Kathleen.

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Lore


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Re: maybe a list would help
Reply #5 - Oct 26th, 2005 at 2:12pm
 
Mary Grace,
I was diagnosed 8 years ago after having a major stroke.  Even tho I'm old, I thot my symptoms might give you another point of view that could help with Kathleen....
1) Over the years, my speech has gone from nothing to being almost normal, with the lapses still coming more when I'm under pressure & am now horrible with short term memory. 
2) Math is much worse than before the stroke, always questioning answers, even when done on the calculator.
3) Physically, I get tired on average 1 or 2 days a week but feel better after even a 30 minute nap.   I'm ready for bed generally after 8:00 pm.
4) The cold affects my muscles.  When outside (I live in Wisconsin~~b-r-r-r) anything under 50 degrees makes my muscles stiffen up which makes me limp so I wear long underwear starting in October to keep my muscles warmer. 
5) Numbness is something that comes & goes and I haven't found any answers to helping the annoying fact that I'll probably have it forever.  Most days are fine, like "I know it's numb" but it's not taking over; a few days are "very scary", more like "am I going to have another stroke?" numbness. On those days I keep walking, stretching, making sure I have no more symptoms.
6) Anxiety occurs sometimes when I'm driving myself & am stopped at a stoplight (I was hit from behind the year after I had my surgeries) & sometimes when shopping by myself.  Comes & , quite quickly, goes.  Just little "blips" in awareness.
Mine are similar to others but a little different too.  Thanks for posting the question; it helps me too!!!  deb
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Re: maybe a list would help
Reply #6 - Oct 26th, 2005 at 3:19pm
 
How can I for get the weather. A MN dweller myself.  My stroke side gets colder easyer during the winter, but a hot shower or bath after work and school keeps my sperits up. and watch out for blood pressure! lots of activity (ie working out and making love) can elivate and may cause "bad" day symptoms unless you take breaks, calm yorself down and relax then you can contiunue with the race.
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Re: maybe a list would help
Reply #7 - Nov 3rd, 2005 at 11:16am
 
  The weather effects Kathleen also.Too hot or too cold.Mostly too hot.The heat makes her very tired and school work seems almost impossible. She won't even go outside when it's too hot unless we're swimming.She tends to wait till after dinner to ask to go outside in the summer.I do manage to get her outside for short times.
Thanks you all for your great answers.I'm going to make note of them and bring them to our next team meeting for Kathleen.
mary Grace
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