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Sep 25th, 2006 at 1:05pm
 
Hi All!

I have not been on this board for a long while.  I guess I was trying to forget I had Moya-Moya but I can't.  I had my two surgeries almost 2 years ago, but I still have things going on.  I went back to work and now having problems coping.  I really want to quit teaching.  I can't deal with the stress of being in charge.  Does anyone else have these problems?  Or am I alone.  I know that a lot of adults (I am 42 now) went back to work.  Do you feel overwhelmed?  I am taking a leave of absence from work and have appointments with the neurologist and theripistsbecause I am scared.  Please help.

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Reply #1 - Sep 25th, 2006 at 3:29pm
 
Hi Paula-
I completely understand how you feel.  I keep telling myself it can't be the MM causing me to have these feelings, but truly nothing else in my life has changed.  Before my surgery, I had a little trouble with stress but nothing major.  I now have panic attacks, problems sleeping and severe, severe stress.  I've thought about quitting work so many times and that is not like me at all!  I feel very overwhelmed and really feel I'm struggling with my short-term memory.  I had my sugery (just one side) in November of 2004 and when I went back for my 6 month check-up, they did more neuro-psych testing but didn't find anything abnormal.  I know that what I'm feeling is real though and my husband really, really sees a change in me.  I wish I had advice but all I can do is tell you that you are not alone!!  I actually even went to a therapist and she said she couldn't help me!  I know this was one opinion and I definitely need another!! 
Hang in there and know that you are not alone.  My only advice is to take it one day at a time but I struggle with that myself!!  Glad to hear you are seeing the neurologist and therapist.
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Reply #2 - Sep 25th, 2006 at 4:10pm
 
Hi Paula,

As Chelsie stated, you are not alone.

I don't know your particular situation but I can tell you that my brother Kevin (Cubbie) who is now 49 has changed dramatically since having strokes and being diagnosed with moyamoya.

He has had two strokes a hemorrage and multiple cerebral infarcts. He had his first stroke at age 43 and went misdiagnosed until about two years ago. In May of 2005 he had two direct bypasses. All things considered, he is doing well.

Before his strokes, he owned his own business and he was also an airplane pilot. He tried to work after his strokes and he just couldn't do it. Like you, the stress was overwhelming. Actually everything was overwhelming to him.  Today, he is considered disabled. He can't concentrate or multi task. He gets confused and has sensory overload and cannot process alot of activity.  He also has very high anxiety as a result of the strokes. The one thing I hear from MM folks is the sensory overload and difficulty with sleep. Those two things seem to be very common. Kevin also has tremors in his extremities so his hands shake . That in itself is annoying and frustrating to Kevin. It's hard to do things like hold a glass or write or open a jar etc. Sometimes the tremors are worse than other times.

Kevin would love to own his own business and would really like to fly a plane again or just go to work. The reality is, it isn't going to happen. First and foremost, the FAA would never allow Kevin to fly and second,  just getting through an interview or having to speak to people would not work for Kevin. Again, it's that sensory overload. Too much acitivty and he can't process all that at once.

Kevin can't handle stress either. Again I believe that is a result of the strokes. He gets high anxiety and can't speak and probably just can't process the information.

I too am glad to hear you are going to a neurologist and therapist. Perhaps they can shed some light on your particular situation and most of all be of some comfort to you.

Just remember, you are not alone. I'm sure others will share their symptoms and experiences with you and you will see that many experience what you are experiencing.

Please take care of yourself. I will keep you in my thoughts and prayers.

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Reply #3 - Sep 25th, 2006 at 5:16pm
 
Paula, Chelsie, Lore and everyone in this situation,

Reading your accounts of mm and surgery, strokes and inabilities really hit home with me.  Nodded YES to a lot of what you related.

Thanks for sharing that.
Thanks for letting others realize that they aren't alone.

Keep searching for decent counseling. It's helped me just to chat about how things are with me living with MM and stroke results. Finding out about MM and all it entails is a HUGE thing to contend with. As you all know!
I received counseling from Making Headway in Eureka, California. It's for Tramatic Brain Injury (TBI). Also, Adult Education here has a school for TBI folks which I attend. Having had the strokes, I am brain injured. Working to live with it as well as I can. Keep searching for assistance...and know that you aren't alone.

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Reply #4 - Sep 25th, 2006 at 5:19pm
 
I can totally relate as well.  I have difficulty getting a full night's sleep.  And then I get anxiety whenever I have to talk in front of a big group of people when before surgeries I never had a problem. 

This is all definitely overwhelming to the best of us.  Some of us more so than others.  But we all just have to muddle throught it all and make the best of situations. 

If you need to talk about anything, please don't hesitate to let me know or any of us. 

Blessings to you and your family,
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Reply #5 - Sep 26th, 2006 at 9:48am
 
Hey Paula~

I am stressed all the time and thought it is just my schedule but it could be MM too. I have always had a busy schedule but right now I work at a steackhouse on the weekends, teach ten three year olds at a preschool, and going to school full time to be an elementary teacher.

I keep wanting to quit school and have the fear that I will not be a good teacher but I dont know if it is just normal thinking or MM. I dont think it is uncommon what you are going through. Man of us probably feel that way. I hope that everything works out and you can get back to teaching. I cant wait to teach but I fear what you are going through too. Can I handle it?

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Reply #6 - Sep 26th, 2006 at 2:46pm
 
Just take one day at a time. I am 25 and work full time and I am 1/2 time student getting my BS in Chemistry. There have been days I just want to quit it all, but then my husband said "take a deep breath and thank God your still here." I will take it easy for the rest of that day and thank God for still being here. I have tried to forget untill I bump my softspot. I turn to family and friends first then this sight for comfort in knowing that they will love me no matter what. Work is draining no matter what you do. But know you are not alone. I saw a neurophycologest who specializes in post trematic depression. I am happy to say I am now off my antidepressent and enjoying life more. Don't forget you are not alone! I still have bad days too.
Don't give up and don't forget your friends and family. You will be in my prayers.
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Reply #7 - Sep 27th, 2006 at 12:06pm
 
That what I am also, and I thought I have problem.  I haven't go online for awhile because my computer crash and my depression is very bad I don't feel like to talk to any body and I felt so lonely also, I'm glad I went back to check on my MM family, and find out that is my problem you guy have.

Doctor took me out of work when I got dx on Jan, have surgery on left side on Apr, I still don't know when I able to go back to work so do my doctor.  I have so many trips to ER for major headaches and paralized on arm and leg (ER nurse thought my name is moya moya ), even one time while I'm driving, and yes I have panish attack also, tired all times, big  time memories lost, depress, and gain about 50 lbs since Jan.  Oh boy, I'm crying right now because I'm happy that it not just me, I still waiting for 6 months check up at Johns Hopkins hos where I have surgery but I also send all film out to Dr Steiberg and waiting for his opion.

I seeing therapist right now for mental and physical, and sorry for disappear for awhile because I'm still so sick but don't have a day go by that I not thinking of you guy and wondering how every body doing, and lots of prays.

Love and hugs to you all.

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Reply #8 - Sep 27th, 2006 at 12:17pm
 
Hi!

I went to my psch yesterday, and she formally took me off work.  That is relief!  It saddened me also, because I used to love my work.  Now it is a huge burden.  Right now I am being a full time mom.  Thank you for all your comments.  I am relieved I am not alone and you are experiencing my symptoms also.  We all have problems sleeping, and wonder what that is about?  Do you think it is strokes or moyamoya?  That is a question for my neurologist.  When I find out I tell you.  Keep the prayers coming and I will send prayers for my moyamoya friends.

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Reply #9 - Sep 27th, 2006 at 3:41pm
 
Hi everyone!
I haven't been online for quite sometime.  I had my surgeries in Mar &  Apr 2006 at Stanford.  I am getting ready to trek back up to Stanford in Oct for my 6-mo. checkup.  If everything is okay, I will attempt to return to work in November.  I haven't had any migraines, thank God.  I am a little worried about returning to work.  My doctor wisely suggested to wait until after my 6-mo tests before returning to work.  I do feel overwhelmed at times.  I'll have to wait & see how things go in the real world of working, etc.  I do struggle w/short-term memory.  Things are better than they were before the surgeries.  Today is a gift that I wasn't guaranteed to experience.  Hang in there!  We have much to be thankful for, my friends.
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Reply #10 - Sep 27th, 2006 at 7:40pm
 
Well done Lee!!!
You have made the perfect point that it is the fact that we are all still here that is the most important thing!
Today and every day for that matter is a gift and what we have all been through should make us all appreciate and live life to the fullest. I do admit that shortly after my surgeries I did experience problems but I just had to adapt to how I used to handle things, and I relied heavily on my husband and mum-in-law who were my rocks through my difficult time (My mum-in-law used to organise my day as I had no concept of places etc and my husband took over everything else so that all I had to do was concentrate on getting better) I still do occasionally suffer a bit of memory loss, but considering that I am still alive, I don't get too concerned about it. In the beginning it used to bother me as I always viewed myself as an extremely eloquent person with a good grasp of vocabulary, but so what if I can't remember a certain word at the time. I also get flustered if I am in a confronting situation, but I have deliberately stepped away from as many stressful situations that I can (within my control). I have my own graphic design/ calligraphy business which I operate from home and which I do on my time, so that I am not under stress to perform and this helps.

You just have to try and adapt your situation to fitting in with your life as it is now. You cannot go back to how you may have been before the surgeries because chances are, it will never be the same again. After all, you are alive and that outweighs everything else.
I am not meaning to trivialise the situation, and my thoughts and prayers are with you through this difficult time.
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Reply #11 - Sep 27th, 2006 at 10:32pm
 
You are right.  I am thankful that I am here.  After the first stroke I had a seizure and I thought I was dying.  My wish is to see my kids grow up and getting married and see my grandkids.  Since I am been off my stress level is down and I am seeing a counselor twice a week.  I think I very got a grieve after my strokes.  I was too busy going thru rehab and such.  You are right - nothing will be the same.  I just have find how out what I want to do next.  My therapist asked me what do I do for fun.  My mind went blank.  I don't know.  I am doing to explore that. Thanks for listening (reading).

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Reply #12 - Sep 28th, 2006 at 11:51am
 
Yes, don't we all thankful for be alive, and today is the gift that why we called present, I do try to remind that to myself everyday, but that is not working when I have a migraine headaches or a pain and tingling go throught the body, it containly remind me I'm sick and nothing I can do about it.  I'm glad that some of you is doing very well and happy to hear that, and I wish I can say that about myself, but I can't yet.  I just take 1 day at the time and pray for the best.
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Reply #13 - Sep 28th, 2006 at 11:58am
 
I am so glad Paula wrote this post.  The timing couldn’t have been better.  I printed the thread out and showed it to my family, to try to help them understand. 

My story:

Before I was diagnosed with Moya Moya, I had one major anxiety attack (around the time we think my moya moya, which I probably have had my whole life, was triggered by the taking of birth control pills).  That attack was real bad, as we didn’t know what it was. 

Once the Moya Moya diagnosis came 3 years later, it was an “AH” moment.  I thought my anxiety attacks were a thing of the past, a one time thing.  I had surgeries bilaterally (direct) and for six months, I did alright (tired, but alright).  Then, my anxiety started creeping up again. 

Now realize, I’ve always had anxiety…a little here and there (it runs in the family I think, my parents are both worriers).  But I never had an attack until my moya moya was triggered.  The stress coping had been ok, but I definitely now think something is different b/c of the diagnosis/surgery, whatever it is.  Especially hearing all your stories.  The treatment for this anxiety may be the same as for one without Moya Moya, but there is comfort in knowing that I’m not crazy when these things didn’t happen before.  There must be some correlation!  So many of us have short term memory issues (I have seen few complain of long term memory loss, though possible), sensory overload, anxiety, etc.  I feel tingling, then feel anxious.  The other day, my anxiety was so high I couldn't function, then I out of nowhere I had a pounding headache for about 10 minutes,  then all of a sudden all gone.  No anxiety, no headache.  Weird, but I definitely believe some correlation to Moya Moya (given the little research available with this disease, how do we know it's not correlated, right?!).  Still frustrating to have, but less frustrating, nonetheless. 

Anyway, I am so thankful for everyone’s support on this board.  I am grateful especially to those who have called or written to me in the last month, knowing I’ve been struggling at work for a few weeks (a story I’ll post about later).  While it’s getting a little better, it’s still difficult some days, and I’ve debated going on disability (we’ll know better, given how the next month or so goes). 

And shout out to our SI friend who hasn’t been following the board but going through the same issues…I hope your appt. goes well today.  We’re all with you.  Talk to you soon. 

Hugs to all,
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Reply #14 - Sep 28th, 2006 at 1:11pm
 
Hi,
     I am struggling with this right now. I am glad to see that I am not alone. It is hard every morning waking up and having to get ready and go to work. I am extremely busy at work, makes the days fly by, sometimes during the day I just want to say I don't feel well and want to leave or someties call in sick. I still love my job. I am a credit manager. Stress is a big factor here and in my life as well. I take depp breaths and try to get focised and concentrate. I can not multi-task like I used to and get side tracked all the time. People at work are great and are working with me. I could not have found a better job or company to work for ;Grin I always say, there is someone worse off than you. It puts things into prospective for me Wink I then say I am still here and somewhat healthy other than the MM Tongue

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Reply #15 - Oct 5th, 2006 at 10:10pm
 
  Its nice knowing Im not alone in all these funky feelings... problems coping, tingling, crying jags, panic, short term memory loss, etc.

  I pray it will be at least a wee bit better after surgery in a few weeks.

  We'll see!!!

  Thank you all 4 sharing this..... blessings 2 all.

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Reply #16 - Oct 6th, 2006 at 2:01pm
 
So all of this is normal?  Should I be watching my signs and signals?  I am back in college full time (actually I started back full time 5 weeks after surgery) and now working up to 30 hours a week.  My boss is inconsiderate and not understanding and puts me on shifts that make me do things that hurt me... and I don't have any felling in my right side ever anymore.  I'm so dang emotional and my short term memory is so terrible that I don't know what I'm doing half the time.  I'll stop mid-sentence or in the middle of doing something.. and forget. I wanted to get of school really early even after having taken a term off due to my MM surgery. I'm jeolous of my friends leaving early. I had plans to do things, but they just seem not to work...  I don't want my GPA to go down either. 

And a lot of deaths have occured in my world of connections, so that doesn't help either.  I never had a stroke, but before surgery I had two TIAs a day and I have them still quite frequently. If not a TIA one day I'll get lucky and only lose all of my sensation on my right side.. .My headaches are awful....


Well, that's my two cents.. Sorry to go off.  I couldn't read through the whole thread, but I think it's similar to what I've said, so I thank God for knowing other people with crazy symptoms still.
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Reply #17 - Oct 6th, 2006 at 8:10pm
 
Hey Ladybugz,
Concerned about your post - if you are still experiencing tia's after you have had surgery, you need to get it checked out as something isn't right.
You should be concentrating on recovering fully before you push yourself (you say it has only been 5 weeks since surgery). If you have to delay finishing school at this point then do it - it will give you a better focus if you wait a little while, and if I had a boss like you have I'd find another job!!
You have to put yourself first at the moment until things settle down from your surgery then the sky is your limit - you can achieve anything you want to.
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Reply #18 - Oct 8th, 2006 at 6:18pm
 
yeah i'm with moira there, very concerning if you're still having tia's and even just those sensation-loss symptoms in general. definitely go back and see your med team. and do it asap.
as for work and school, well i myself took 10 months off work and then jumped into a 40 hr week and nearly wiped myself out after a month and had to stop all over again... so really, i know what it's like to want to get back into life and doing everything NOW - but i'm slowly [or quickly now] learning that it's OK to slow down, and really you WILL have time to do everything that you want to do. but you won't if you make yourself sick!

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Reply #19 - Oct 12th, 2006 at 5:32am
 
Hi,
I can relate to your feelings.  I had my surgeries when I was in the middle of nursing school and only missed the day of surgery.  I would have a 2 week break from school so I would schedule my surgery for the last day of the quarter; have the surgery and be back in school in the next 2 weeks.  I am now woeking, but am having to go part time because I feel outdone quickly.  I feel like I can't keep up with people my age like I did before the surgeries. 
I assure you that you ARE NOT ALONE!!!
It's jsut so hard because those around just don't quite understand even though they may  try.
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Reply #20 - Oct 15th, 2006 at 2:02am
 
Hi All

All of this is true for me too - a solo 44 y/o mum.

The secret for me (under the strict instructions of a caring GP)
- I took 2 months off after my ops in Nov 2005.
- then a very slow 4 month long return to work program (did not resume full time work until Jly 2006)
- I am "selfish" - if I am tired I say so and stay home
- plenty of sleep ALL of the time

I am now coping with my busy F/T managerial role with ease !

To look after my son both now and for the future, I place me first all of the time and accept whatever help offered !!

To deal with stress and panic attacks - prayer and mantras -it definately works.

Hope this helps

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Reply #21 - Dec 4th, 2006 at 12:14am
 
Hi All Problem copers,
          I have just finished doing some reseaech, myself
I have had to stop my teaching career as a Pre=school teacher,  I have a hard time dealing with depression, anxiety attacks, and have actually tried all but two types of anxiety meds. I am currently on Zoloft and Xanax, and am still a wreck.I dont have the patients for much of anything these days.  I went to the National Stroke Association and eapecially for mm sufferers ther is a condition called IEED.  (involunyart Expressive Disorder)  I occurs when there is damage/injury to the brain that controls normal expression/emotions.  It causes a "short circuit" that disrupts the correct brain signals.  You actually feel like you are loosing control of yor life,  It very frustrating to you those around you who don'really understand this process. I can create feelings of isolation, as well.  At this time,there is no cure ortreatment approved by the FDA.   so go to NSA's website and check it out.     I thought I was actually going crazy when nothing seemed to help.  It is also a good idea to find a good counselor.    I'm not a Dr. but after I resd this  I felt that at least it made a lot of sense.
          I wish you all the best of luck in finding answers.God Bless and keep you all!
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