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Infantile Spasms? Long message, please help!
Oct 25th, 2006 at 10:04am
 
I have noticed that some of you know a little about infantile spasms. My son has not been diagnosed with infantile spasms, or moyamoya, but I am trying to find some more information on both.
[font=Verdana]My son, who is now 7 months old, started having seizures at 5 months. It would happen usually when he was drifting off to sleep when taking a bottle. His right arm would begin to shake, and his head would also shake. My mother experienced him having an episode such as this with him laying on her chest and she said that she could feel his whole body shaking, but just see his right arm shake. He was not aware of any of this episodes as he had them when he was just about completely asleep.
Then one day he had one when my husband was carrying him out to the car, shortly after he woke up. I was walking behind and just saw his right arm starting to shake. When he first started having these we could change his position and startle him out of it, so I took Devyn and got it to stop.
He had either 8 or 9 of these and in that time he was also having screaming fits that would last for about three hours in the evening. My mother also noticed that he seemed to grab for his head when screaming.
During this time he had an xray because his soft spot is almost gone, and not very soft to check for craniosynostosis. This showed that his sutures were open, but very narrow. His doctor also sent him for a sleep deprived eeg for the screaming fits and lack of sleep because he would do them more when tired. This came back normal.
Since the seizures were still happening, his doctor sent for a CT scan to make sure his sutures were open. That came back normal.
He continued to have seizures, but they were mild. Then, two weeks ago, he developed a muscle spasm. It started off looking like he had a chill, and I didn't get too worried about it. I asked around to see if anyone else had ever observed this. No one had except my husbands mother who said her two boys seemed to do this when they peed... I will add that my husbands brother has hydrocephalus (sp?).
Then, a week later, the spasms got more intense. He would look like he was having a chill still, but it would be in a set of maybe three. Then, the day that it got worse, he expreienced the worst seizure yet. My sister was with him and he had just woken up from his morning nap. He began to shake more violently and his right hand turned blue. She picked him up to try to stop it, but it would just stop for a second and then start again. His eyes were open and he was alert. She said that he looked worried and that he looked like he was going to cry. This went on for almost five minutes.
His spasms stopped for a while, but I couldn't see his pedi that day because she was not in.
Then, a few hours later his spasms started again. They would come about thirty seconds apart, so I took a video of if and took him to the er.
They watched the video and told me that that was not a seizure (I knew this) and that it looked like he had just developed a tic that should go away on its own and that it was normal. They sent us home. We were there for less than an hour.
When I saw his pedi the next day she was very concerned and ordered blood work and an mri. We have an appointment with a pediatric neurologist scheduled for Jan, but she is working to get it sooner.
The bloodwork came back all normal, except for an elevated muscle enzyme that shows that the spasms are happening often enough that they are exhausting his muscles.
The spasms are now showing up a little differently, like all his muscles just tense up and he straightens out, sort of throwing himself backward instead of forward. I have a video of both types of spasm if anyone wants to see to offer some help. Things are just moving too slow for me on this...
My mother also saw dapne's story on tv and suggested moyamoya. She sees similarities in him and dapne. If anyone can help I would greatly appreciate it...Thanks for your time reading this, I know it is awfully long...
-Courtney, mother of Devyn Joshua Allen[/font]
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Reply #1 - Oct 25th, 2006 at 5:29pm
 
Hi, Courtney.   I am Daphne's mom, and I would be very interested in seeing the video of your son.

I am sorry that the ER said the behavior was "normal", and sent you home.  We've been through our fair share of that sort of treatment, too.   Even if it turns out to be something benign, I feel like more doctors should feel a sense of responsibility to investigate things that parents know aren't right.

While moyamoya is possible, there are also probably hundreds of other possibilities.    You can email me at moyer305@comcast.net, if there is any way that I can help.

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Reply #2 - Oct 26th, 2006 at 1:10am
 
some physiological response can cause types of spasms, especially when falling asleep. don't remember the xact details.  I have "spasms" a lot when I'm partially asleep, but they are supposedly normal.  Good luck on your search.
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Reply #3 - Oct 26th, 2006 at 1:22am
 
Hi Courtney,

I wish I did have some sort of answer for you. Devyn holding his head just broke my heart. Little Daphne has been through the ringer as well, so no one would know more about what you're going through than Jenny. I pray that you get some answers.

Please know you and Devyn will be in my thoughts and prayers always.

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Reply #4 - Oct 26th, 2006 at 9:18am
 
Courtney,
I too am sorry to hear about your troubles, So you know I do not have moyamoya, I do have kippelfiel, which is the congenital fusion of the vertabrae, I have gone through life( 37 years) being told the muscle twitches and Migranes are normal ........I got dx 2 years ago after waking up and not being able to move.
     I heard nothing about a neurologist, If you dont have one have you Primary care recommend one, And make sure you are comfortable with him/her.
(I learnt that from Robert) Please take care and keep your chin up.

Mike
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Reply #5 - Oct 26th, 2006 at 9:50am
 
  Gosh I'm so sorry Courtney.I think everyone has offered soem great advice.My daughter was diagnosed at almost 5 yrs old.One common thread I've been reading in some posts here lately seem to match something we noticed about Kathleen in hindsight.Kathleen used to wake up crying just about every morning for as long as I cuold remember.She wasn't verbal enough to tell us anything she was feeling,it just seemed like this was "normal" for her I'm sure thats how she felt too.It's obviouse now that something was going on with her as she was waking up. Before she really even seemd awake she would be wimpering for quite a while and then start to cry as she actually woke up.Some time after her surgeries  we noticed that the was pretty much gone.(only once in a while now).One of her strokes was actually sometime before she woke up in the morning.She got out of bed and couldn't use her left arm.In my opinion I would be hesitnat to wait until Jan. to see a neurologist.We had an appointment with a neurologist but ended up going to the ER before she made it to her appt.This may not be Moyamoya but you certainly deserve answers as to WHY this is all happening.Did your Pediatrician call the neurologist for the appt.? or did you call yourself.We had the pediatrician call ours and we didn't have to wait as long.
You and your son will be in my prayers,I hope you get some answers soon.Please Keep us posted.
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Reply #6 - Oct 26th, 2006 at 10:28am
 
[color=Teal][/color]I called the doctor yesterday because I had had no response on the mri or the neurologist appoitment. They called the hospital and got the mri scheduled (I guess the hospital hadin't gotten back to them since the 18th) for Nov 2, and the neurology appointment scheduled with a different doctor on the 28th of Nov. Things are moving a little quicker now...I am just dreading having him sedated for the mri though.
He can't seem to sleep well now. Gets up about 3 times a night, sometimes up to 6 times...its exhausting. He didn't go down until midnight last night. What makes it worse is I am expecting another child a week after his first birthday. I am just so worn out! LOL

Jenny, I will be sending you the videos I have of his spasms, and one of his first seizures.
If anyone else can help or shed some light I will email you the videos...
Thanks everyone for your help and support!
-Courtney
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Reply #7 - Oct 26th, 2006 at 10:59am
 
   Courtney, I'm so glad to hear that things are moving quicker now.Will he be having an MRI/MRA ? I was pretty scared the first time that Kathleen had to be sedated for the MRI too.It wasn't too bad though and she was pretty "out of it" form late in the afternoon until the next morning.You must be so exhausted! I hope you can get some answers from the MRI.Keep us posted.
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Reply #8 - Oct 26th, 2006 at 11:37am
 
He will be having an MRI.
He does have screaming fits an awful lot. He also gets overtired way too often! Just the other day he was with my mother and sitting on the floor. He then started screaming and grabbed each side of his head and began throwing himself backward. She had to catch him to keep him from hitting the floor. He did this quite a few times she said...It was pretty strange, but that is the only time he has done that.
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Reply #9 - Oct 26th, 2006 at 11:53am
 
  Gosh Courtney, I feel soooo bad for your son. It's such a helpless feeling when your child is sick.My daughter tires very easily in fact if she doesn't get 11-12 hours of sleep she doesn't make it so well through the next day.You may want ot ask your doc about the MRI/MRA.I have been under the impression that ti's the MRA part that is best at diagnosing Moyamoya.Someone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.My prayers are with you and your son.
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