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Greg-NJ1
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May 25th, 2007 at 7:57pm
 
Hi all,

I just got home from the doctors office. We reviewed my CT-A and CT Perfussion from last week. Well, it is a good news/ bad news kind of thing....

The bad news. The CT-A shows that the stenosis has gotten much worse...ok, they are basically saying that it is fully occulled (spellling).

Ok the good news...based on the perfussion CT, the left hemisphere is getting good blood flow although there is a slight time delay in response. Between the two tests, they have identified that my colaterals in are in great shape and supplying sufficient blod flow.

Once again, it has been confirmed that it is not MM, but rather an arterial stenotic episode. Whats the difference you might ask...not much other than my colaterals are not showing any signs of stenosis.

We agreed that another cerebral angiogram will be done. They will be calling me on Tuesday to arange a date and time, but estimated that it would be within the next two weeks.

From what they are seeing, they have not ruled out a direct bypass (yup, same as for MM patients). The doctors agreed that we will keep an active eye on the colaterals and move forward with the by-pass when time is correct. Given the shape, size and blood flow of the colaterals, they do not feel that the bypass is warented at this time.

Like I said, its a good news/bad news sort of thing. The good news is that I feel great....and the doctors are now going to be "actively" watching.

Have a great Memorial Day weekend.
Greg
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Reply #1 - May 25th, 2007 at 11:38pm
 
Hi Greg,

It’s wonderful that you feel good, but what I don’t get is, how is what you've just explained different than MM? If it’s gotten worse, and as you said, fully occluded now, then it’s progressed, right? You’re saying it’s not MM because the collaterals look good?? I’ve talked to so many over the years with good collateral flow, yet sadly, many still stroked or hemorrhaged, so how is it different?? Without an angio, how can anyone say it isn't MM?? I just don’t get it. Did you get a second opinion on this?? It scares me, it really does. Did I read it right, are you saying, for now you’re taking a wait and see approach with a 100% blockage?? (Fully occluded) My goodness Greg, good collateral flow or not, that’s mighty risky and dangerous. How will they know when the time right for surgery? Sorry for so many questions, but none of it makes any sense to me. You know once you stroke or bleeding takes place, even with surgery, you may be left with permanent damage or loss of function. I wouldn’t be a friend if I didn’t at least suggest getting a second opinion on this. 

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Reply #2 - May 26th, 2007 at 2:28am
 
Hi Greg,

I have to say I'm with Mar in not understanding this.  Of course, it's not good to hear the words "fully occluded", no matter what part of the body we're discussing.  With MM, the collaterals that have grown to compensate for the lack of blood flow are typically weak, fragile and not equipped to deliver the needed volume over a long period of time.  Are your collaterals somehow different?  I'm very glad to hear the doctors will be actively watching, but this scares me to death.  As you've seen over the last few years, too many doctors take that "wait and see" stance.  With MM, we know what is coming - stroke and/or hemorrhage, we just don't know when.  What will be the deciding factor for the doctors?  Hopefully not a devastating event.  I too am sorry for all the questions.  Maybe you can help us better understand . . . we're just very worried for you Greg.

Hope you and Olga have a great weekend!

Jill
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Reply #3 - May 26th, 2007 at 7:08am
 
Mar and Jill,

I am with you 100%. Yes, my previous note was from a new doctor. A few weeks back, I was tired of the wait and see attitutude of my doctors and started seeking more opinions. Luckily, Dr. Brisman is in my back door (actually 30 miles away), so the appointment was made. He was concerned...hence the CT tests. He is not 100% confident with the CT's and we will be doing another Cerebral Angio to confirm.

I've now had three different doctors indicate that this is not MM, due to the type of stenosis and the type of collarterals. Dependss on who I talk to, some times I get the feeling that it is Unilateral MM, other times not.

Needless to say that we are not stoping here. More investigations and opinions to come.

With all of that said, one of the reasons for the wait and see  attitutude is due to my cerebral angiogram from January 06. During that test, they identified to arteries that they were calling potentially communicating. There thoughts at the time is that my brain/arterial system may be re-routing the "plumbing" to correct for itself (kind of like a internal indirect by-pass without the surgery). Hence why we are doing the second angio.

I'll keep you posted. Thank you so much for your concern. Trust me, I am the first one to be scared shitless of having a stroke...and I have voiced that to the doctors.

If all are interested, I do have one great shot from the perfussion CT-A that shows the vessel network. I'm just ont sure how to post it here...or I can send to you via e-mail if you are interested.

Thanks again....I truly appreciate your support and concern. You are my MM family and I know that this is a place that I can turn when support is needed. I'll further add that the princeton gathering last year had the best pshychological effect on me. Not only was it entertaining....but I truly appreciate the fact that everyone reached out in support.

Jill, a personal thank you for our private conversation during the meeting. YOu concern, information, support and hug were all greatly needed and greatly appreciated.

I'll keep everyone in the loop as events unfold. For now, I'm anticipating the angio within the next two weeks.

Thansk again. Have a great Memorial Day Weekend,

Hugs,
Greg
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Reply #4 - May 26th, 2007 at 7:10am
 
Oops....Mar, I forgot to mention the coffee mug....it has had very much use....being filled with either tea or hot chocolate....each use reminds me of that wonderfully rainy fun day walking around the Princeton campus.

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Reply #5 - May 26th, 2007 at 10:38am
 
Greg,
Oh my goodness, Greg!  This scares the hell out of me.  I know I am just spouting my opinion here, but I am right there with Mar and Jill.  I've told you before that I had a similar dx in the beginning and I really do not understand how they can say this is not MM.  Stenosis - collateral network - MM.  My neurologist, who is the head of a major university hospital in Chicago, after my angio was saying it was not MM and said with absolute authority "we need to have a discussion of what moyamoya is and what moyamoya is not and this is not MM."  Well, after reviewing my angio, Dr. Steinberg said it absolutely IS MM and after he conferred with my local neuro, my local neuro agreed with Dr. Steinberg.  I was at Stanford in a week having my bypass for unilateral MM.  There are just so few doctors with enough MM experience.  I know someone else who is a neurologist and they said they have only seen one case of MM in their entire career.  Dr. Steinberg has seen hundreds.  Greg, I don't know who you have been to and I am just another person throwing my opinion into your business, but I would highly urge you to consider sending your films to Dr. Steinberg.  If he looks at them and says it's not MM, then you can move on.  If he says it is, then you have your answer from an expert.  Just my Smiley but I am very worried about you watching and waiting with your stenosis.
Take Care.  I'll be thinking of you.

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Reply #6 - May 26th, 2007 at 5:15pm
 
Greg,

This is your MM dot com mom, Lore.

I'm here to tell you you need to get to a MM specialist ASAP.  This isn't rocket science and especially for all of us who have been down this road and hit a lot of bumps along the way and can only wish we had gotten to Dr. Steinberg sooner! Not to mention all the medical crap we listened to along the way all the while our loved ones are stroking and hemorraging.  Good God! It doesn't have to be this way nor should it.  That's what we are all about here is to support each other and help each other to at the very least seek proper medical treatment.  We have supported you and continue to support you and we love you and care about you but you have got to wake up and smell the coffee.  This is your life we are talking about here.

I hope you are not in denial or that you are believing this nonsense (complete BS) I'm reading on your post from all the different opinions frpm doctors.  Instead of putting your tests on this site, send/e-mail them to Dr. Steinberg or Jill ASAP! Your docs can e-mail the films to Dr. Steinberg.  It's simple. Or you can overnight them.  At least you will have an expert opinion instead of this tennis match crap you're currently getting. 

You know what you need to do ......now do it! You can no longer deny this with having a fully occluded artery.  Those collaterals are weak and fragile.  They are there because they are trying to supply blood flow for which you don't have but they can't support the blood flow you would have without the blockage. THEY ARE WEAK AND FRAGILE.  THEY DON'T BUY YOU TIME! I feel you are getting medical advice that is giving a false sense of you're ok or that you have time. The real truth here is that this is serious call it stenosis or call it MM you need an expert NOW!   

You know I love ya or I wouldn't be scolding you.....I would simply ignore you but I'm not giving up on you. I expect to hear that you have e-mailed your films to Dr. Steinberg ASAP!

Hugs,

Lore

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Reply #7 - May 27th, 2007 at 12:59am
 
Greg,

I read your post, and the responses, and I had a thought.  What if you just sent your films to Dr. Steinberg for his opinion?  You don't have to ultimately see him, or spend any money (other than possibly a few dollars for having the films sent), but you'd be getting the opinion of someone who has seen hundreds and hundreds of moyamoya patients.

I don't want to sound like I am pushing him on you, but he is a real expert and it really is that easy.  Just email him about your situation, then request for your hospital to send him the films, and his nurse will get back to you about what he thinks.

When Daphne had her strokes, we desperately sent everything to both Dr. Steinberg and Dr. Scott, the two people we knew had the most experience with MM.  They both reviewed everything, and - although we agonized over the decision - for our own reasons we opted for Dr. Steinberg.  Dr. Scott never charged us for reviewing Daphne's films, there were no hard feelings (later, he even emailed us to see how she was doing) Although we felt bad about having used Dr. Scott's precious time and not ultimately using him for her surgery, having his opinion was extremely valuable to us.

I guess I am pretty much saying the same thing as Mar and Lore, but trying to put it into perspective.  Wink  What have you got to lose in getting Steinberg's opinion, right??

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Reply #8 - May 27th, 2007 at 4:00am
 
Hey Greg,

It's your NY neighbor here.  Sorry I haven't been responding on the board lately -- too much going on over here and too stressed out to reply, so my apologies.  Actually on your last post, I even sent Lore a quick email saying she should respond to your post if she had time, b/c I didn't have time to think through my thoughts to respond but felt you needed a response.  

Well, this time, as I sit here wide awake at 3:30am surfing the internet (don't ask), and saw THIS post, I knew I had to respond.  

First, I want to say that I agree with what everyone has said so far.  None of us are medical experts so maybe we're missing something, I don't know.  BUT based on what you have written, it sounds like MM to me.  Before you didn't say you had collaterals (which, personally, I think is even scarier b/c at least I had the "benefit" of supplemental flow for some time, and it sounded like you didn't have that and was surprised you didn't have surgery immediately thereafter).  

NOW it sounds like you do have collaterals, which I believe equals MM.  

I think it's great that you feel good.  However, like the others said, it doesn't mean you are not at risk for stroke.  In my personal experience, I had symptoms and did nothing about them until I had a hemorrage (it was only after that, that I found out about my MM).  You have the benefit of knowing that you have MM.  Ultimately, I think you know that.  Otherwise some higher spirit wouldn't be guiding you to still post on this board.  

That being said, I too was curious to know why you haven't sent your films to Dr. Steinberg yet.  In light of some discussions and points that I recall that were made during our Princeton gathering, I feel the need to clarify something to you.  

Someone said then that Dr. Steinberg always determines MM and always recommends surgery so if you personally don't think you need surgery, there's no point to going to him.  

NOTHING could be further from the truth.  As a matter of fact, I know two people who have MM unilaterally, whose other sides are being monitored and look like they may have MM but don't need surgery yet.  If Dr. Steinberg was a "surgery maniac" as was suggested, you would expect him to have done the other sides on those two people anyway.  But he didn't.  In other words, he doesn't have needless surgery.  But he does believe in aggressively treating this incurable disease.  And there's a difference between saying "he always suggests surgery" and "you have MM and your best option is surgery".  My personal opinion is if a doctor says you should "wait and see" on what they deem stage 4 MM (as one doctor did for me), then they don't know MM.  It's not to say any doctor knows a whole lot about MM.  It's a "rare" disease indeed - but the reality is that the symptoms make it such that there really is only one treatment option as far as is known today.  

Ok, so now, let's say you are even expecting him to say it's MM, and have the surgery, so you are not bothering.  What do you have to lose?  You only have another expert opinion, FOR FREE.  You don't have to have the surgery at Stanford, nor do you even have to decide to have the surgery if you don't want.  

The bottom line is it's your life.  When I was doing my research and trying to decide what to do, I went to three doctors, who said three different things.  Within my own family, there was much debate with one family member not wanting me to have the surgery b/c they thought it was riskier to have it than to not have it.  

But ultimately, I decided, with the surgery, especially with an expert, I couldn't go wrong.  If I stroked and died at the table, it was my time to go, but at least I made the effort to make a better life for myself.  It was a treatment well worth it.  Is the risk gone?  Never, but is it much less?  Yes.  I don't think to myself all the time, "hmmm, is today the day I could stroke while driving home from work again?  Will I be lucky and survive like last time or be worse off?".  And heck, who wants to stroke in a car on their way home from work while cursing their boss for makin...ok, Lore, I digress - but I know you're feelin' me!  Smiley  

Anyway the point is I just don't think about it anymore.  Everyone is different and I know for some, they improved 200% and for others, they saw no change (and I'm sure there are a few who feel worse than before - it's statistically impossible not to have that case).  But since you say that you feel great, that's why I tell you this.  For me there wasn't much change.  I still have minor symptoms, as I did before the surgery, but I don't feel like a time bomb waiting to blow.  

And finally, it's also important to remember something else.  Dr. Steinberg does not make the decision on his own.  He has a team of people - what they call "Monday night case conference".  Neurologists, neurosurgeons, neuro radiologists, fellows, residents, nurses, etc. all attend.  They collectively discuss each case and make a decision.  So you're not getting one opinion, you're getting multiple.  Again, FOR FREE (things are hardly ever free in this world and anyone who knows me, knows, if it's free, I'm on top of it!!).  

It's important to remember that not a lot of neurosurgeons, let alone doctors, do this.  Your second/third opinions may be interpreting your films on their own, with the report read by a RADIOLOGIST, not necessarily a NEURO RADIOLOGIST who would more likely have experience with MoyaMoya than a regular one.  I am not saying this IS the case, as I don't know, but it MAY be the case.  

So all that being said, just send the films.  Send them to Dr. Scott too (even though he's mainly children, I sent mine anyway) -- and send them to Dr. Fukushima, or any other neurosurgeons.  If you are confused by the confusing opinions, get more.  At some point, your heart will tell you what the right diagnosis is.  

As you know, we're all here for you (well, maybe I won't always be there for you at 4am -  Smiley ), so we just want to make sure you know all your options and you are doing what's best for your health.  

Until the next NE gathering...

Many hugs,
Trina
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Reply #9 - May 27th, 2007 at 11:31am
 
Hi All,

Truly, I do apprecaite all of your support, concern, comments and feedback. Please note neither I or my family is taking this lightly. With that said, my next cerebral angio will be scheduled this Tuesday and will hopefully occur within the next two weeks. At this point in time, I feel my angio from two years ago is no longer representative of my case. Hence when the new one is complete all of my films will be forwarded to several doctors for additional consultation.....and, yes, Dr. Steinberg is on the list.

Please note that my angio in Jan 2006 was reviewed by several different Neurosurgeons who are posted on this site, and althought their names are not Dr. Steinberg, they are doctors who have also been pointed out as experts.

The doctor who will be doing my next anigo is a neurosurgeon who did his degree with the wonderful staff at Columbia (Tom and Trina....I know you have differing opinions, but they are excellent doctors overthere) and was lucky enough to do his residency under a diffenent nureosurgeon who is on our list doctors who have done several of your surgeries. And to set the record straight...I am NOT anti-Dr. Steinberg....I am exploring the options.

With all of that said, I know that everyone is confused about why this is not MM. I too, am still partially in that court. Over many different doctor visits with the various neurosergeons, they have indicated that MM is one of several different diseases that could cause the stenosis/occulsion/colaterial vessels to occur, especially head trama as a child/teen. As part of my recent screening push I am trying to learn about these opther conditions as well.

Folks, I understand that each of you (or family member or friend) have all gone through the same process. And, we each proceed at different rates. Some too scared to acknowledge, some in denial, etc....please note that I am doing something about this. I truly repsect each of your opinions, concerns and friendships. The one data point that I wrote in a past message, I think was missed....I was tired of the wait and see attitude of my former doctors...hence the new neurosurgeon....and the new round of testing.

Folks, I am commited....I am way to damn young to be worring about storkes/tia's/etc....If surgery is the correct option....I will have the surgery. I may gamble with money in vegas, or with my life riding motorcycles, but I will not be gambling with my life and what ever this disease is that I have.

Sorry, if this sounds angry, it is not supposed too...I just don't know how else to say it except by being straight forward.

With all of that said, have a great holiday weekend,  I will keep you in loop as events unfold.

Thanks again,
Greg
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Reply #10 - May 27th, 2007 at 11:38am
 
All,

Just again.....please don't read the above response as being angry. I am moving forward. The test results will be forwarded....and I will keep pestering all of you with questions.

I truly do respect and appreciate each one of you. I know that we are not doctors. We are all here seeking advice from those who have lived / are living similar situations.

Yes, folks it may be unilater-MM or it may not be MM...regardless, if it is MM, I too have suffered the same symptoms and emotional concerns as all of you....and will most likely have the same surgery.....

Trust me....I truly appreaciate each and everyone of you.

Hugs,
Greg


PS. Trina....I am there with you on the stroke thoughts....that was the reason I went searching this time.
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Greg,

I just want to say, I don’t think anyone ever over looked or missed your point that you were tired of the wait and see attitude…hence the new neurosurgeon and new testing. Anyone that knows you, knows you’re a smart and educated man. (One of the sweetest men I ever met, I might add) but IMO, it was the part in your original post about your “good news” that alarmed me and I’m assuming everyone else. That’s because we see doctors that do not have enough MM experience tell their patients it’s not MM all the time and that their collateral flow is good enough that they do not need treatment, but believe me Greg, it was NOT “good news” when later we found they stroked or hemorrhaged. So there was our concern.

I do not know who your doctors are or who read your angio in 2006, but for the record, your doctors were NOT pointed out as MM experts from this website, at least not from anyone credible. MM experience perhaps, but not MM experts. Your friends here are suggesting Dr. Steinberg and Dr. Scott because they are in fact MM experts.

I trust you’ll make the decisions as you see appropriate, but I wanted to explain my concern from my point of view.

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Reply #12 - May 27th, 2007 at 7:34pm
 
Hey Greg,

I didn't take your reply post as angry at all.  I think you further explained yourself, and I at least am a bit relieved.  Experts or not, I think the more neurosurgical opinions you get, the better.  Of course, the more experience one has in moyamoya, the likelihood the opinion you are offered is more accurate (as is the case with anything in life where advice is given). 

I do want to clarify -- you said Tom and I have differing opinions on Columbia neurosurgeons/doctors.  I'm not sure what Tom's opinion is, but for the record, I don't have anything against Columbia doctors (how can I when my brother is one?!).  I only take issue with one neurosurgeon who clearly does not take an aggresive approach towards moyamoya.  In my case, he advised against surgery despite three other doctors (one being his mentor) stating otherwise.  By saying this, I'm not saying he's a "BAD" doctor.  I'm only saying I don't agree with his approach.  I spoke to him about it, as well as he and my brother had a heated exchange about it.  His opinion was that there are no studies to prove that the surgery "works" in cases like mine, to which my brother said that, hence, there are no studies to prove that the surgery "DOESN'T". 

Again, that's his approach -- I don't agree with it.  That's it. 

Hope that clarifies. 

Please do keep us posted -- if you don't have MM, I don't know about anyone else, but I sure as heck would like to know what it is. 

Hugs,
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Reply #13 - May 28th, 2007 at 7:41am
 
Hi Greg,

I didn't take your post as being angry at all.  I apologize if my post sounded as though I had lost my patience. That was not my intent. I'm am very concerned about you.

I'm with Trina in that I am a bit relieved with your further clarification. What bothers me the most is that you still don't have a confirmed diagnosis even with all the different medical opinions.  Obviously, it needs to be established what exactly you have.  I'm not a doctor but it certainly sounds like MM or at the very least it mimics MM. If it's not MM, I too am curious as to what it is.

Additionally, I'm with Mar in that a MM specialist such as Dr. Scott or Dr. Steinberg is paramount.  I know with Kevin it was a roller coaster ride with the different medical opinions we received.  It was stressful, overwhelming and confusing.

One neurosurgeon informed us he had never seen anything like it.  Another informed us Kevin was out of his level of expertise.  Another sent him home to live out whatever life he had left.  Two of the neuros are well known and well respected.  I have great respect for both neuros for being honest and upfront about their inabilities to treat Kevin.  Actually, it was a radiologist who recognized Kevin had MM and it was confirmed by yet another neurosurgeon who decided we should wait and see.  I knew Kevin could not wait for help because at that time he was off balance, his ears were purple and his skin color was gray and he had already suffered two strokes. It was then that I got in touch with Dr. Steinberg.  Frankly, by the time Kevin got to Stanford, I wasn't sure even Dr. Steinberg, who has treated hundreds of MM patients, would accept Kevin for treatment but he did.  In retrospect, by getting Kevin to a MM specialist, there is no doubt Dr. Steinberg saved Kevin and gave him a second chance.  Also, in retrospect, I can look back at all the patients Dr. Steinberg has treated over 15 years and see how well they have done.  So with a MM expert not only is there the expertise in treating the disease, there is history. To be fair, some patients present worse than others like in Kevin's case so varying degrees of treatment outcomes exist so obviously the sooner one is treated the better.  But when you see how much Kevin has improved since being treated by Dr. Steinberg, one can't imagine what he went through or what his condition was before his treatment.  It truly is amazing. The point I'm trying to make is MM is still considered rare and as a result, there are few doctors who have treated MM patients hence, the importance of a MM specialist.

When I was attempting to find a local neuro for Kevin my criteria was 1. Are you familiar with MM 2. If you are familiar with MM how many patients have you treated  3. What are the treatment options and 4. How many surgeries and what type have you performed.  Unfortunaltely, I never got past the first question. I couldn't find a neuro who had treated a MM patient.  In fact, one neuro said he had only seen one MM patient in his entire career and he didn't treat that individual, he referred him elsewhere.

I'm relieved to know you will be sending your films to a MM specialist.  I believe you will get a proper diagnosis, MM or otherwise, and can feel good that you have done the very best you can for yourself and for your peace of mind.

Keep us posted on the angio and ask any questions.

You know I care about you and your well being and want only the very best for you.

Hugs,

Lore
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Reply #14 - May 28th, 2007 at 9:15am
 
Ok, Greg - I have to put my 2 cents in, for whatever that's worth!  And I know you and I talked at the Princeton gathering (when ARE we going to have another one????? - I'm all in for the shore meeting, btw!..sorry, tangent).  And I know you are doing the right thing about getting more and more doctors involved - I have confidence that you are doing the right thing and are taking charge of your own health (bravo!).  BUT...and I would say this to my nearest and dearest friends so please dont take this the wrong way- if it looks like a duck, sounds like a duck, quacks like a duck - most likely - it's a duck!! 

In my opinion, send what ever films you have now, to Dr. Steinberg and Dr. Scott along with a letter describing everything you've described to us - all the tests you've had - all the tests you will have, etc.  It can't hurt...and if you need to - send them the new films when you get them.

I know you are doing the right thing...I am just cheering you on!

And, in the words of Forrest Gump...."That's all I have to say about that."  (!! Wink)
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Re: Results are in....
Reply #15 - May 28th, 2007 at 10:18am
 
Yes, me too, I have to put in my 2 cents as well.  I can't help but do it because I consider you a friend, Greg, and I care about you and people in general. 

I agree with everyone's advice on here.  You NEED to send your films to a SPECIALIST.  I'm not a doctor, but I don't need to have a medical education to realize that something is wrong and you need a diagnosis that is RIGHT.  Think about it - you have 100% occluded carotid arteries.  YOU ARE AT MAJOR RISK FOR A DEBILITATING STROKE - NO MATTER HOW YOU SLICE IT.  YOU MAY NOT EVEN LIVE THROUGH THE FIRST STROKE.  YOU ARE A TICKING TIME BOMB AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED.  It could happen today, 2 weeks from now or maybe never, but why take that chance?  Hard facts, I know and I'm sorry to be so blunt.  But all life is precious and you should do everything to help save a life whether it's your own or someone else's. 

When I received my "possible" diagnosis of MM from a neurosurgeon at Georgetown and he told me to wait 6 weeks to reevaluate possible surgery, I was dumbfounded.  He actually said that he couldn't do anything while I was having active TIA's.  When I left that appointment my thought was "you want me to wait around for 6 more weeks and just welcome for something worse to happen?"  I don't think so!  I had been on the board for only a couple of weeks and knew that I had to take action and do something about this.  My mom and I immediately went and checked out all of my scans and records and sent them to Dr. Steinberg.  I was in CA within a couple of weeks, and I thank God for leading me to make the right decision.  In fact, I thank God for my life every day.  I was told by Dr. Steinberg that if I had not come for surgery when I did I could have died.  I was a ticking time bomb basically.  And my life depended on that surgery - literally. 

So please send your films to Dr. Scott or Dr. Steinberg.  What's one more opinion???  It certainly can't hurt.  These are experts and see MM on a daily basis.  I hate to say it, but I doubt all the other doctors listed on this website see MM on a daily basis.  I could be wrong so don't crucify me  for saying what is my opinion. 

I wish the best for you and I hope things work out for you.  You are a smart man and know what's best for you.  We are all here for you when you need us.

Happy Memorial Day!!

Michelle

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Re: Results are in....
Reply #16 - May 28th, 2007 at 12:34pm
 
All,

Thank you for the support...advice....and yes I will be getting many more opinions, and will keep you posted.

With that said.....


Happy Memorial Day!   

Enjoy,
Greg
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Reply #17 - May 30th, 2007 at 8:02pm
 
All,

A bit more of an update. My angio is scheduled for June 19th at JFK Medical Center...preliminary bloodwork and x-rays on the 12th.

This morning I reapproved the sending of my CTA/Perfusion study to the doctors at Columbia. They have seen CTA portion but wanted the perfussion study to completely review and comment. They are concerned with the results. Once they receive the perfusion portion, the entire team will be reviewing and planning the next steps. Hopefully they will have everything tomorrow, otherwise I will be pickign up and hand delivering on Friday.  Had a long phone conversation this moring with my neurologist at columbia....based on the "team" discussion, I should be at Columbia within a few days to discuss options/timings/etc....

I will most likely end up having my angio there, this way they can do a direct comparison to my Jan 2006 study. Unfortunately, dr. Meyers (who does the angio) is not part of my insurance but is my preferred doc for the test. Hopefully we can get this one schedule long before the 19th.

Interesting conversation, potentail of Unilateral MM was mentioned as well as STA-MC. Getting interesting. Either way, all tests results will be forwarded to Dr. Steinberg and others.

Keeping life interesting, if not fun....
Greg
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