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Todd Wessendorf
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Surgery Decision
Aug 6th, 2009 at 10:57am
 
My partner, a 46 year old white male, was diagnosed with MoyaMoya earlier this year.  We have had MRI's taken and the Dr has stated that there is 80% blockage.

He is starting to experience 'spells' where he loses feeling on the right side of his body, and he is unable to speak for several minutes.

His Dr (a prominent neurology specialist) was given this info yesterday at a visit, and gave a prescription for Plavix and ordered a MRA.

When does one know it is time for surgery?

Thanks,
Todd
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Reply #1 - Aug 6th, 2009 at 12:04pm
 
Hi Todd,

Your Dr. must say when it's time for the surgery but as MM is a progresive disease, the time for surgery is usually once is diagnosed. Everyone here will recomend you to ask for a second opinion and we can give you as much references about neurosurgeons as you need. You have found a great place, it's full of people ready to listen and help ...

Please let us know how we can help you.


Stay strong,

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Reply #2 - Aug 6th, 2009 at 12:34pm
 
Welcome to the forum Todd.
Sorry about your partner.
I think the good news is your partner did not have a stroke, because MM is mainly diagnosed when the patient suffers a stroke which can have severe consequences.
I agree with Pula, if you can copy the MRI images and send them to other specialists for a second opinion that would help you to make an informed decision. We did the same for my niece.
Sometimes MM can be confused with other diseases, as Dr. Steinberg explained in the moyamoya symposium about 2 months ago.
All the best to you both
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Reply #3 - Aug 6th, 2009 at 3:32pm
 
Hi Todd! Welcome to our MM family,

I don’t know how much you know about MMD so I want to explain a few important things about this rare progressive disease that affects the blood supply to the brain. No medication stops the arteries from narrowing and progressing, so therefore every MM patient is at risk for a stroke or hemorrhage without surgical intervention to try and help supply the proper blood to the brain. The progression differs from patient to patient, some faster than others, but surgery is the ONLY treatment for MMD.

It’s hard to say when surgery is best for each patient with so many individual factors involved, no two cases are alike, depending on where the blockage is and to what degree, and many other factors, but I can say, without treatment, a patient's clinical condition will worsen and eventually stroke. It isn’t a matter of IF he will stroke but when. The symptoms you describe sound like TIA’s (mini strokes) which is usually a warning of a stroke, and an 80% blockage is very serious, so it’s vital that your doctor have MM experience to help direct you on the best path for your case ASAP.

Unfortunately you will find a lack of real MM experience in much of the medical community, so it’s important you learn all you can about this disease, so you’ll know if a doctor is taking you down the best path for your particular case. Delay in treatment is the major pitfall we see. That should raise a red flag of their experience in treating this rare disease, so don’t be afraid to be aggressive and keep looking for the best doctor for your situation with as much MM experience as possible, if that’s the case.

You are considered very fortunate if you are diagnosed with MMD before having a stroke. Sadly, most are not. If it were me with a loved one with an 80% blockage, I couldn’t get surgery soon enough, but with a qualified, MM experienced surgeon.

Will keep you both in my thoughts and prayers.

Mar
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Reply #4 - Aug 6th, 2009 at 3:42pm
 
I really can't add anything more than what was said above...but I will STRESS that MM is a PROGRESSIVE disease, and the sooner you treat it, the better off you will be in the long run.

Waiting until someone has a full blown stroke is a BAD decision, it's like waiting for a bomb to go off.  I second what Mar said about the symptoms sounding like a TIA...my husband suffered from a stroke 9 years ago (that's how he was diagnosed) and still doesn't have full sensation back in his left hand.

Please read as much information here as you can.  Many doctors might know what Moyamoya is, but may not know how to TREAT it.

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Reply #5 - Aug 6th, 2009 at 7:11pm
 
My daughter is 35 and has had 7 strokes. She had numbness in her right arm and the Dr told her she must have hit her funny bone. If we had only known she was having TIAs, she may not have had that 1st stroke.
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Reply #6 - Aug 6th, 2009 at 9:25pm
 
Hi Todd and welcome to the MM family.

I'm sorry to hear about your partner but you have come to the right place. There is a wealth of information on the board and a family of wonderful folks who have traveled this same road who will support you and your partner through this journey.

Being the caregiver and guardian of a brother with MM who went misdiagnosed for 4 years, had two major strokes and blood on the brain, could not speak and lost his abstract thinking ability, and as a result, his life is forever changed, I can't stress enough the importance of seeking a second opinion from a MM specialist and the sooner the better.

I share my brother's story not to scare you but in an effort to save another MMer from going through what my brother had to endure due to the lack of knowledge about the disease and the waiting. Had my brother been treated early on and by a doctor familiar with MM, he most likely would have been spared the devastation that comes with waiting and especially with a progressive disease like MM that narrows and close the carotid arteries. My brother is a prime example of a MMer who progressively got worse. By the time I got my brother to a MM specialist, it was truly a life saving effort.    

Please ask any questions and know that we are here to support you and your partner.

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Reply #7 - Aug 6th, 2009 at 9:38pm
 
Todd, welcome to the site.  My daugher has MM.  The first neurosurgeon we spoke with told us that there was a possiblity we could wait  to have surgery because she was getting enough blood from the collateral arteries that had formed to supply blood to her brain.  I found this site.  I sent her information to Stanford, Dr. Steinberg, and Emily got her surgeries before she had strokes.  I would agree that the thing to do is gather information and take action.  Ask your doctor how often they deal with MM.  There is a page on this site where people talk abou the surgeons they have gone to and the results they had.  Make sure to check that out as well.  My daughter had the MRI then MRA then SPECT scans here at home.  THen she had an cerebral angiogram at Stanford.  If they want an MRA I would do that asap.  It shows the veins more clearly than the MRI.  I wish your partner nothing but the best and let him know that there are many people out here who care and have experience and will help as much as possible.   -Audrey
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Reply #8 - Aug 6th, 2009 at 11:35pm
 
Hi Todd,  Welcome to the mm family. I agree with all the posts I hope you have seen. I was diagnosed with mm in 2002 after a major stroke. One year before that I had the same what you call spells but put them off. Fould that they were TIA'S. As others have said don't let your partner risk a stroke. I am lost my right peripheral vision and weakness in my right side. I had indirect by-pass surgery in 2003 at the University of Iowa Hospitals and am doing well. I have made it six years. Surgery is the only option. Please keep us up to date.

My prayers are with you, Sharon
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Reply #9 - Aug 12th, 2009 at 1:39pm
 
First of all, thank you EVERYONE for taking the time to post responses to this fo me.

Audry, when you say you sent infomation to Stanford, Dr. Steinberg, exactly how did you do that?  Do you have contact info I could use to send the CD of his MRA results.

By the way, two of his MRAs can be seen here:
www.toddwess.com/MRA/MRA1.JPG
www.toddwess.com/MRA/MRA2.JPG

Thanks, and I'll keep everyone posted.
Todd

Audge wrote on Aug 6th, 2009 at 9:38pm:
Todd, welcome to the site.  My daugher has MM.  The first neurosurgeon we spoke with told us that there was a possiblity we could wait  to have surgery because she was getting enough blood from the collateral arteries that had formed to supply blood to her brain.  I found this site.  I sent her information to Stanford, Dr. Steinberg, and Emily got her surgeries before she had strokes.  I would agree that the thing to do is gather information and take action.  Ask your doctor how often they deal with MM.  There is a page on this site where people talk abou the surgeons they have gone to and the results they had.  Make sure to check that out as well.  My daughter had the MRI then MRA then SPECT scans here at home.  THen she had an cerebral angiogram at Stanford.  If they want an MRA I would do that asap.  It shows the veins more clearly than the MRI.  I wish your partner nothing but the best and let him know that there are many people out here who care and have experience and will help as much as possible.   -Audrey

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Reply #10 - Aug 12th, 2009 at 2:52pm
 
Hi Todd,
Welcome to the MM family.  I contacted Dr. Steinberg's office in March of this year after I was diagnosed with MM.  I then flew to California for surgery in April.  You can contact his office by calling

1-650-723-5575

Explain the situation and Dr. Steinberg's nurse, Teresa will call you back.  She called me within 24 hours.  If she is out of the office it could take a week or so for them to get back to you.  Let her know that the images on ready for viewing on a web page.  You can e-mail her the web addresses and she will have Dr. Steinberg look at them.  Then the MM team will meet and discuss your partners images.  After they have a recommendation Teresa will call you and they will also send you a letter.  If you have any other questions please do not hesitate to ask. 

Good luck!!  Stanford and Dr. Steinberg are the best!!  You can't ask for better care. 

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Reply #11 - Aug 12th, 2009 at 6:55pm
 
Also, here’s Teresa’s email: (Dr. Steinberg’s nurse) teresab@stanford.edu

Dr. Steinberg’s Profile: http://med.stanford.edu/profiles/Gary_Steinberg/

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Reply #12 - Aug 13th, 2009 at 8:42am
 
Todd,Sorry to hear about your partner.  I agree that Dr. Stanford is the best you can go to for an opinion.  When my son was found to have moyamoya, our pediatric neurologist said to just wait and probably no surgery.  I  knew differently after reading on this website.  Thank God for the internet!!  Anyway, I sent Dr. Steinberg my sons mri and he confirmed the moyamoya and also sent me a lot more information about the disease.  I then found a neurosurgeon in Chicago who studied under Dr. Scott who studied under Dr. Steinberg.  I was a great surgeon.  Please do whatever you can for your partner.  It is a progressive disease and really, nothing else will help.  Good luck.    Linda
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Reply #13 - Aug 13th, 2009 at 10:13am
 
Hey Todd!!  I guess you got the phone number to Dr. Steinberg's office from the other posts.  I actually spoke to Jill the first time I called there.  (I was very emotional.) She gave me an address and I overnighted the cd's and all medical reports I had on my daughter so they could evaluate her asap.  I think they have their meetings at the beginning of the week to discuss potential new patients.  Since you have your partner's online that will be even easier!!  Keep the momentum going no matter which doctor you choose!!!  Please keep us posted.  We all get attached to everyone who comes on here and shares their story.   Smiley  Audrey
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Reply #14 - Aug 13th, 2009 at 11:28am
 
All the best for you and your partner Todd
My niece is in CA she just had her surgeries at Stanford.
I have to agree with everyone, I do not think you will find a better place to treat MM
STANFORD IS THE BEST  Smiley
All the best and please keep us posted
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Reply #15 - Sep 13th, 2010 at 8:45am
 
Well, I thought I came on here by buy some more t-shirts and bracelets (I get asked for them a lot) and thought I would post an update.  The last I wrote was in August of last year.

Ken has had 5 strokes since then.  He had the bypass surgery done on October 5th of 2009 by Dr. Vivik Deshmukh out of George Washington University Hospital.  They were not able to do the direct bypass, so they had to do the indirect bypass.
Ken suffered the first stroke eight days after surgery, and the second, much larger one, 4 days after that one. 
He lost his right side completely.
Since then, he had a long stay in rehab, his anterior cerebral artery also collapsed, so they did burr holes (8) all along the top of his head, he had three additional strokes and a subdural hematoma (sp?)
He is at home now (we had to sell our house and get a one-story house closer to the hospital).  He has PT, OT and ST three times a week coming to the house.  He is able to walk unassisted, has some use of his right hand and arm, and his speech gets better each day.
Does anyone else have any experience with the indirect bypass method?
Todd
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Reply #16 - Sep 13th, 2010 at 10:04am
 
I'm so sorry to hear That Ken has had so many complications. My daughter was only 5 at the time of diagnosis and surgery.  She too suffered several strokes. Her most severe 4 days after her first surgery.She lost all use of the left side of her body and her right side was weakened. She was in a wheelchair for a while. It's been 8 yrs since then and she ahs not had any strokes. She's regaining most of what she lost but still has no functional use of her left  hand and arm. We haven't given up though. There are so many new advances in stroke rehab. I believe her recovery was due to the fact that she just never gives up and has a very positive attitude. It sounds like Ken is recovering pretty well I pray that this continues for him.Thank you for the update and many prayers for you both.
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Reply #17 - Sep 13th, 2010 at 11:15pm
 
Hi Todd, and welcome to the mm family. I had a stroke in 2002 but not as severely as Ken. I had indirect bypass surgery in 2003 at the University of Iowa Hospital's. I will celebrate my survival of this disease for seven year's in next June. Do not give up. There is still hope. My prayers are with you and Ken
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Reply #18 - Sep 14th, 2010 at 9:42am
 
I also have MM and go see the neurosurgeon on Friday and I am very thankful for this site!  This site has helped me with questions to ask, and loads of support!  Thank you so much to everyone it makes me feel like I am not alone in with this weir disease!
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Reply #19 - Sep 14th, 2010 at 9:50pm
 
Hi Todd,  My daughter had the indirect.  It worked well.  It takes a little longer to grow a new blood supply than the direct but it was the only way to do hers because of the size of her arteries.  Please keep us posted on recovery.
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