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hrsridermom
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Oct 12th, 2009 at 8:03pm
 
My daughter is 15 and a sophmore in high school.  While her surgery (on the right side only) went well and everything seemed good we are finding that moymoya is affecting her school work.  She is very bright, is in honors and AP classes and takes a lot of pride in her success in school.  To say that this year is stressful is an understatement.  Seems we are all told everything will be fine but no one wants to be the "bad guy" and tell us that it will be a challenge for teens.  Not just school, but friendships seem to take a hit.  Destin talks about how her friends don't understand how she feels.  They don't always believe her when she says she can't do something because her head hurts.  She looks normal so they find it hard to understand.  If there are other parents here that want to talk about teens and their unique circumstances with moyamoya maybe this thread will help.  I have so much I could write but I really just want to get a discussion started.  We have had the rare privilege of meeting another teen here in Tampa, along with her mother, and they have been a God send.  So, let's get some dialogue going here.
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Reply #1 - Oct 13th, 2009 at 7:42am
 
Exactly! My daughter is 13, had her surgery on aug 25th, both sides. So many bad days it is rediculous. One "friend" actually said that she had ear surgery and was only out one day. Why isn't Courtney in school all day yet? She has headaches every day and goes numb in various body parts all the time. You have no idea how the timing of your post, and its content hit me. I feel like I am not a good parent for letting her stay home from school so much, but then I feel like a bad parent when I pick her up and she is as pale as a ghost and so tired after 3 hours. I can honestly say I know exactly how you feel!
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Reply #2 - Oct 13th, 2009 at 1:19pm
 
I amy not be a teenager but I am in Collage getting my BS in Electrical Engineering, and I work full time (40+ hours a week). I am not a full time student, I only take one class at a time. Right after the surgery it took me awhile to get my grades up. I always had a headack, but everything got better with time. It has been four years since my surgery and I am back to As! I was on Topamax for a daily migraine supressent. I now only take and as needed.

As far as the social aspect: It took some time for our friends to relize that I was diffrent. I couldn't stay out as late or if we were at a club with loud music I couldn't stay long. This too has inproved. When they forget I just show them my scar and say "remember", then they usaly say sorry. But I am dealing with 20somes not teens.

Pam,
You are NOT a BAD MOTHER!!! She needs more rest. It is hard on her system to keep the blood pummping. It will get better! I slept all the time I was not at work or in class. I would take naps then my husband whould wake me to do my homework and eat. Then if I looked like I was starting to get a headake he would say enough for now and we would watch so TV or I would take another nap. Over time the naps became less frequent.

My biggest advise is talk to them and thier friends about what happened and the surgery. If then they don't get it then it may be time to get new friends. I have lost some after my surgery and they didn't want to wait for me to get better, now that I am doing better they are mending the gap.

I hope this helps.
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Reply #3 - Oct 13th, 2009 at 9:42pm
 
Hey, thanks Becky. It is good to hear that things will improve with time. Deep down I do know it, but right now it seems like its never going to get better for her. I have another question, did you experience drastic mood swings? I am thinking these have to do with the headaches. Thanks again for your reply.
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Reply #4 - Oct 14th, 2009 at 5:24pm
 
Pam,
YES!!!!!! I still get super moody when i had a bad day at work or class. My husband wanted me to go to anger managemet classes in the beginning. Then I gradualy was able to keep my calm, but when I and exausted I have slipped back into the horrable witch. As far as depressive cycles. They have decreased as well. I am now used to the idea I am diffrent. I am more aware of the things I can do, and have accepted the things I USED to be able to do. It is strange to know the thing I was able to do before. I got realy depressed for a while but the depression medication they were giving me (I tied 5 diffrent meds one at a time) ALL made me more suicidel. Also the headacks ARE a part of the mood swings. She is getting a headack thinking of the things and worring about the things she can or can't do. If it were not for my family and friends I don't know where I wold be. Stay Strong for her. She will draw from your strenght, and it will inpower her to know you at least understand.

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Reply #5 - Oct 15th, 2009 at 1:45pm
 
Pam you are not alone!  My daughter’s biggest complaint is that people don’t understand because she looks so normal.  She didn’t even have her hair shaved for her surgery.  She didn’t miss any school because we did it over the Christmas break.  In a way it was good because it didn’t draw unwanted attention BUT it was also difficult for friends and teachers to believe that her surgery could slow her down…after all she looked well enough.  She only had one side done so that made it a little easier on her I think.  But now she’s still having headaches, numbness and yes moodiness!  She also complains that she has a ”short fuse” with people. She is moodier than she used to be but I don’t know much of that is Moyamoya and how much is being 15! Have you talked to your school to see if there is a program to help kids that have special needs?  Here we have the 504 Plan.  Destin’s doctor wrote a letter explaining what she has and any special needs ie:  carrying a bottle of water to stay hydrated, extra time for assignments, unlimited visits to the school nurse, sitting up front to lessen distractions, etc.   This has helped Destin because it brings it to the attention of the teachers and she doesn’t have to worry as much.  She has just recently asked to see a psychologist.  She is noticing that she is more stressed and depressed.   We are also looking into having neuropsych. Testing done to get a baseline before any more surgery.  This may also help identify any areas that may qualify her for help when it comes to taking her SAT’s next year.
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Reply #6 - Oct 15th, 2009 at 10:40pm
 
Courtney has only been back to school for half days so far. We have gotten her homebound instruction for a few subjects. I tried taking her to a psychologist, but she refused to go back. She is pretty private and doesn't like to open up to strangers or have any attention on her. But she has been awesome with me, usually. I guess I am the comfort zone. Wow, I can't believe your daughter went back to school so quickly. That is great. I did get a letter from the doctor, and that helped with school. Will your daughter need more surgery? I was actually relieved they could do both sides at once because I don't think I could have gotten her to go back. 13 and strong willed. uugghh! Thanks for your posts! they hit home for sure!
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Reply #7 - Oct 16th, 2009 at 3:37pm
 
Pam we were surprised she was able to go back to school so quickly too!  She will most likely need to have the other side done some day...since this is a progressive disease.  When I first mentioned getting someone to talk to she said no.  I think she has been feeling depressed and is smart enough to know I'm not an expert in that field...at least in how to alleviate it!  she is willing to give it a try.  She may not like it either but for now she is asking to go so we will.
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Reply #8 - Oct 19th, 2009 at 3:40pm
 
My son is 17 and in the 12th grade (graduation this year, YEAH!!  College next, and I can see the end to my fingernails!!)   Wink  Although he was 7 when he presented, was diagnosed, and had his surgeries, many of the things you described have presented over the years (and some still now).

From what I understand, the frontal lobes control emotions, frustration, and even the ability to pay attention.  I had one neuropsychiatrist (spelling??) described my son as ADD -- but clarified that it was due to the strokes, NOT typical ADD.  My son, as a youngster and even now, has a short fuse.  He has a hard time with people believing he is "different".  He has managed to stay on grade level -- but it does require modifications.  Getting the teachers to realize that he needs these modifications has been a fight.  We did choose to stay with special education and IEP's because many teachers understand that much more readily than 504 plans. 

I don't know how much of his peers issues are an inability to consider his situation or are them being just plain snobby/rude/immature.  His friends are well aware of his condition since he has had it so long, but don't seem to give it much consideration.  He wanted to play football all through high school.  His pediatrician never approved it.  In fact, we went back to his specialists to get it approved for this year.  So there he is, trying to fit in -- but behind again.  And they have NO respect for it.  Again, I think this is due to their immaturity. 

Moving on, Matthew tired very easily.  This is normal for anyone recovering from a stroke.  And consideration needs to be given to it.  Luckily, we had excellent people at his school (speech therapist, OT, etc) who had this training and were willing to stand beside us at the meetings and back us up. 

When it comes to his "short fuse" -- I am about the only one who can through to him at that time.  This is more due to my close relationship with him than anything else.  And there have been a couple of times when no one could.  We take it in stride -- do our best to make sure there isn't a scene.  And then sit and talk when he is able to be rational.  It doesn't seem fair to his younger siblings though, that I have to keep them out of the way of his rampage.  At least, the ones where I can't reach him are few and far between. 
I hadn't considered until now that these might actually be an after effect of his strokes.  I remember temper tantrums when he was younger that I knew were his inability to control his emotions/frustrations as well . . . but I guess I thought he had healed more than that.  I guess that as he has grown the tantrums have simply changed style.

I knew there was a reason I come back here periodically . . . and I am hoping that this realization will make it "easier" for me to deal with him during these periods. 

I feel at this point that I have rambled more than provided insight . . .

Kim -- Matthew's mom
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Reply #9 - Oct 19th, 2009 at 7:29pm
 
Oh Kim,  while all our kids are different in their personality as well as the severity of their strokes or lack there of, we can always learn from others.  My daughter hasn't had a stroke but she is still struggling with school this year.  It is probably a combination of something going on with the brain and her own emotional roller coaster dealing with this illness.  We have just begun the process of getting her tested and finding a professional she will be comfortable enough to talk to.  She asked for this...she knows she is struggling right now.  It is difficult for anyone to come to terms with a life threatening illness but I can't imagine doing it as a teenager.  Their whole sense of self is shaken when they can't do all of the things they have so much pride in doing anymore.  Academics always came so easily for her, now she really has to make an effort. How much is just more challenging subjects and how much is the after effect of
surgery(?)...that's the million dollar question!  Thank you for posting and I wish Matt all the success he wants in college.
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Reply #10 - Oct 20th, 2009 at 8:07am
 
You are so right on with the million dollar question. My daughter is sometimes so defiant and mean. She refuses to go to school on some days. I know its because she is hurting, or depressed, but will not talk about it. I arranged some homebound instruction for the classes she is missing, and there have been times she has simply refused to sit with the teacher and have a lesson. How do you punish your kid in this type of situation. It kills me to see her hurting so much. But it seems like she just gives up. She says no one understands. Is some of this 13 year old rebellion? Who knows, right?
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Reply #11 - Oct 20th, 2009 at 12:47pm
 
Pam,
that is wonderful that you are trying to do some home schooling for her. As far as she not wanting to do it. Just let her know how much a good education can be when she grows up and is on her own, unless hse wants to work as a McDonalds cashier for the rest of her life. If she would like to talk to someone who has been through this and is still in collage please feel free to email me at beckychelberg@yahoo.com. I am super busy with work and school this semester but I can email things realy quick. Don't give up and don't give in. If you stand strong she will get over it. She is testing the waters of how much can she get away with, but at the same time she more then likely realy hurts or is to tiered. Make sure she is well hydrated and gets plenty of rest and things should calm down.
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Reply #12 - Oct 22nd, 2009 at 12:28am
 
i am in same situation as you. my son w\mmd though being the tuff kid nothing bothers him but i see the differences and notice the changes. i let him be so he knows hes no different but im beginning to think maybe i need more help and mothers going through the same. i am here in spring hill , fl. maybe we can help each other more. i know i sure need it
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Reply #13 - Oct 22nd, 2009 at 8:09pm
 
We live in Tampa and there is another girl here in Tampa that is 16 and has had surgery on both sides.  Another poster sort of divides her time between Miami and Lakeland...we should try to get together.  At least it may help your son to know he's not alone.  Where did he go for his surgery?  How old is he? We go over to Dr. Lewis at Shands in Gainesville.  We have been very happy there.  We go back in November to get an angiogram and see how the surgery went and if the left side is OK.
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Reply #14 - Oct 26th, 2009 at 11:31pm
 
my son went to doc in denver colo. he is 14 now just had his bday the 17. he also has his angiogram in nov. to see if able to fly back here . so excited. i miss him so  much. i would love to get together not just for him but also to see how other moms keep going.
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Reply #15 - Nov 25th, 2009 at 7:13pm
 
Hi everyone, it's been a while since I been on.  My daughter Julie is 18 and had her surgery 3 years ago this month.  She also had a hard time at school after her surgery.  She didn't make it back to school full time until after the christmas break.  It was hard for her to concentrate, she had her "fuzzy" days where her short term memory didn't work.  She found that taking online classes worked better for her, especially for classes that you had to memorize formulas like math and chemistry.  She was able to do those classes at her own speed and with notes.  She now is in her 2nd year of college and doing pretty well, she is on the Deans list, yeah!  But math still kicks her butt! And she used to be in the gifted math, so it's hard for her to accept.

I sooo understand the mood swings and the anger issues.  We were hoping the surgery would make that better but it appears to have stayed the same.  She was going to a neuropsych, which helped her learn how to control the anger.  But our insurance changed and he works strictly for the HMO and we haven't found anyone she trusts/likes since then.  So I was happy to read that things do get better over time with that.

We are also in Florida but on the east coast near New Smyrna Beach.  It would be fun to get together sometime.  It might help the kids to socialize with people that share the same experiences.  You can email me at chericastillo@bellsouth.net. 

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