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Adult MM, and surgery at Stanford
Feb 13th, 2010 at 10:32pm
 
Hello everyone, I have only posted once before, back in early November shortly after my father suffered a cerebral hemorrhage, when a MM dx was first suggested  Undecided... anyway, its been several months since my dads stroke, and his recovery has gone very well! He has regained almost everything that he lost as a result of the stroke, an occasional word slip up, and headache here and there, but all in all, his recovery is incredible!!We are so lucky! He is the strongest man I know, so I wouldnt have expected any less....
6 Weeks after his hemorrhage he received another MRI/MRA and his doctors here in Boston concluded that he did not need surgery, his brain tissues had adequate blood flow, and the risk of surgery would not provide him enough benefit. They informed him they would check him annually, and he was to keep his blood pressure down and avoid any activities that would cause strain on his moyamoya vessels and possible re-hemorrhage... this left us all feeling a bit uneasy and after much research we sent his info out to Dr. Steinberg. Last night Dad got a call from Teresa at Stanford, who said that Dr. Steinberg thinks surgery is necessary, or he will most definitely suffer another hemorrhage, or possibly a worse stroke due to lack of blood-flow. To be honest, I am pretty well read on MM, and have done a considerable amount of research since Dads stroke... so this did not come as a surprise to me... but it is very disconcerting that my Dads Drs. in Boston which is considered a mecca for medical science, did not recommend surgery...  We are currently weighing the options as a family, but it is most likely that Dad will be heading out to Cali in the next month or so for his STA-MCA bypass. Its so much to take in for all of us, and I would really like to provide my father with some stories of inspiration to carry him through this journey ahead! I have read many of your stories, and know you are out there, so if any of you.... especially those of you who are adults, have hemorrhaged, and have had surgery with Dr. Steinberg could once again share your stories, I would be eternally grateful!!! God bless you all, especially you parents ou there, I cannot imagine having to watch my 1 year old son go through this... I will keep you all in my thoughts and prayers. Thank you all for your support!

J
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Reply #1 - Feb 14th, 2010 at 6:06pm
 
J,

I am sorry to hear about your dad having MM but am glad that his recovery has gone so well.  I am very glad to hear that he will possible be going to Stanford for surgery with Dr. Steinberg. 
You will hear over and over again on this web site that the only treatment for MM is surgery, and I can not stress that enough.  I am a 43 y/o woman who has had 3 strokes.  I had surgery at Stanford with Dr. Steinberg last year, 04/09.  He is an amazing surgeon and Standford is a wonderful facility.  Your father will be in the best of hands at Stanford. 
As an adult with MM disease I came to a realization that there was only one choice to be made.  My understanding of MM is that it is a progressive disease, that eventually will cause physical and cognitive impairment.  So it was either have surgery, or sit back and wait until I was physically and mentally impaired.  The later was not even a choice for me so I flew to California with my husband and had surgery on 4/8 and 4/15/09.  Recovery has been slow for me but I am back to work and doing well. 
I did have to have a third surgery in September to clear up an infection that developed after the first 2 surgeries, but I was able to have that done closer to home. 
My strokes were all ischemic strokes rather than hemoragic like your fathers, but either way the end result is the same.  Surgery is the only way to go, in my opinion.  I think you will hear the same from many others on this site.  Hang in there and tell your dad that he has an entire network of people who have been through exactly what he is going through.  If he has any questions he can post them here and I am sure that he will get quick responses. 
Welcome to the MM family and please keep us posted on your dad's progress.  Your dad and your family will be in my prayers. 

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Reply #2 - Feb 15th, 2010 at 1:56pm
 
J.

Sending love to you, your dad, and all your family.

I had a severe hemorrhagic stroke when I was 49 in 1999. Had surgery with Dr. Steinberg, stroked again. This was before mm.com, back in the very dark ages of this still unknown disease.
After years of therapy and real life experiences, I can function decently, but my brain mushes-out when I'm tired and my speech retrieval is sometimes a mess. Wrote about in the "News" section here -- 'Story of a Stroke"  posted at the end of last year -- I think.

Each person is unique and has their own set of abilities and stroke deficits. Glad you're getting advice from Stanford. Hope it all goes well. I applaud your fact finding and efforts.

I'm glad to be alive, capable and able to share this experience.

My best to you all,

Linda









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Reply #3 - Feb 15th, 2010 at 2:09pm
 
J. and anyone with questions about recovery from hemorrhagic strokes.

See the In The News section on this board,
see 'Moyamoya A Story of a Stroke' by Linda Arnold

is my journey, included memory loss, aphasia, and all sorts of other glitches of life!

Hope it can be of help!
With love,

Linda
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Re: Adult MM, and surgery at Stanford
Reply #4 - Feb 15th, 2010 at 8:07pm
 

Dear J -

My daughter Kate was mis-diagnosed for 7 years before finally being dianosed with MM.  She was twenty and had had 3 strokes and migrains everyday.  Her surgery was at Stanford with Dr. Steinberg 4 !/2 years ago - two STA-MAC bypasses, one on each side, 6 days apart.  She is doing SO well and has only had one migrain and two TIA's since; that was in the first year.  She has graduated from college, works full time and is SO healthy.  We are so blessed, especially to find Dr. Steinberg and Teresa and staff.  THEY ARE TERRIFIC! 

Good luck to your dad and you and your family.  You will be in my prayers.

Cass from Texas  Smiley
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Reply #5 - Feb 16th, 2010 at 11:15pm
 
Thank you all for posting your stories & for your thoughts and prayers, it truly means a lot... I know my dad is visiting this board looking for answers and stories of inspiration! I am serving as the voice of the family on the board... but there are several of us checking daily for any additional info! Linda, I have to ask... you said you had your surgery back in 1999 with Dr. Steinberg.... I'm sure you have followed up since, did he offer any insight into why you stroked again. One of the questions we are struggling with as a family, is is the risk of stroke during or post surgery worth the risk of "waiting and seeing." Stanford says without surgery, he will hemorrhage or stroke again... but if people stroke again after having surgery, what is the advantage?? This seems to be the gray area in all my research, and would love to hear personal experiences/opinions. Again, thanks so much for your help, and god bless you all!!

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Reply #6 - Feb 17th, 2010 at 8:42am
 
JNL wrote on Feb 16th, 2010 at 11:15pm:
if people stroke again after having surgery, what is the advantage??
J

Hi J,  Welcome to our MM family!

I’d just like to add my Smiley and say that IMO, in most cases the advantage of having surgery is LIFESAVING without a doubt, because with MMD you know a stroke/hemorrhage is coming, you just don’t know when. This is a progressive disease and without surgery the majority of patients will experience mental decline and have multiple strokes or hemorrhage, which can be fatal. I will never understand the advantage of a “wait and see” approach with this disease knowing the risk of what lies ahead without surgery. My question always is… if a doctor thinks it's safe to "Wait and see" because the patient has an adequate blood flow, then why did they have a stroke/hemorrhage in the first place? And knowing that this is a progressive disease and that it’s only going to get worse, I wanna know what are they waiting for? I don’t get it!

By having surgery you are drastically reducing that risk of a stroke/hemorrhage, and the majority of individuals who had successful surgery/surgeries have no further strokes after surgery, but with ANY surgery there are always risks, and with MMD there are individual factors that can possibility cause a stroke for some patients. For example, how advanced is the disease, a patients’ blood pressure, any other many medical conditions and so on, all of which could possibly cause a MM patient to stroke, but those risks are there with anyone, not just a MM patient. Each MM case is different. That’s why we always advise a MM specialist if at all possible. Experience is everything for success.  Dr. Steinberg has done over 700 successful MM surgeries with a complete MM team/program at Stanford.

In our family's case, my 20 year old niece had a mild stroke and they told us here at UOP that we had some of the best neurosurgeons in the country and that they knew about MMD, and in their opinion she didn't need surgery at this time, so naturally we believed them not knowing about this rare disease, and long story short, she ended up having 4 devastating strokes that left her in a coma, on a feeding tube, paralyzed and fighting for her life. We found this website and got a second opinion with Dr. Steinberg, she was medically airlifted to CA and he saved her life, thank God, but by waiting like the doctors here advised, her life was forever changed and she will never have a normal life as you and I know it. The damage was too severe. That's why I know what this disease is capable of without surgery.

The more you learn about this disease, the more you will find the facts speak for themselves and it will help you make definitive decisions in your particular case. Keep researching.

My prayers are with you.

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Reply #7 - Feb 17th, 2010 at 11:03pm
 
J. ~

Hope you're getting the information you need.
It's a tough road to explore this new reality.

If I have my facts straight, I stroked post-surgery because my veins were delicate, and because the new veins hadn't had a sufficient amount of time to vascularize more completely.

Please though ask a professional (Steinberg) about this phenomena. At the time, I  was one of the first people to have a post-surgery stroke....but I was also in the first 100 to have the surgery. I don't know how many people have stroked post surgery.

I am DELIGHTED to have had the surgery with Steinberg and been given ten more years of life and looking toward more years..
w/o the surgery I would have been dead, or had a more serious stroke. My new blood system is working - and was working to help thru the 2nd stroke too. The strokes were tough, but I'm doing ok, odd glitches included....And I'm enjoying being alive.

Hope this helped.

Hope too that everything turns out well for your dad,
Love from,

Linda


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Reply #8 - Feb 19th, 2010 at 9:03pm
 
Hi J,
I think I may have passed my story along to you earlier. I'm a 56 year-old woman. I had two very small ischemic strokes and after four months of testing was misdiagnosed with atheroschlerosis. The neurologist told me I would most likely suffer a major stroke within three years and there was nothing to be done. Fortunately the very first neruologist I met had mentioned that it was possible that I had Moyamoya. That possibility and much reasearh led me to Dr. Steinberg and immediate surgeries for Moyamoya. Those were in the Fall of 2007. This July, I will happily thumb my nose at the neurologist who thought I would by then be diabled by a major stroke. I have had no strokes post-surgery. I work 10 hour days, six days a week in my small business and find that my ability to think, plan and write is improving continuously. I will soon begin training for my second attempt at walkng a full marathon. The prospect of brain surgery is frightening. Even now, I don't want to subject myself to the angiogram and other testing required of the three year follow up. But I did do the sugery and I will do the three year follow up testing. I was and am still convinced that had I not had the surgeries, the devastating stroke with the loss of mental and physical abilities was a cetainty. There are risks that your family will have to evaluate for yourselves. I wish you all the very best.
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Reply #9 - Feb 19th, 2010 at 9:17pm
 
Thank you so much for your replies... we certainly are going through a tough time right now weighing the options. It unfortunate that the first Dr. in Boston said that surgery was not necessary at this time, and Dr. Steinberg recommends it asap. The doctors at the BI in Boston do not believe that my dad has "moyamoya disease" but rather suffered a head trauma that caused a dissection in his MCA which eventually became occluded with scar tissue, and collateral vessels to form around this blockage... he revered to the vessels as "moyamoya pattern" which he says is not the same as "moyamoya disease" and since his condition will not be progressive like "moyamoya disease" they did not feel that surgery is warranted at this time.
Our second opinion from Stanford recommended surgery... and a dx of moyamoya.... It is just frustrating and baffling that two doctors can have such differing opinions!!! today however, my dad did get in touch with Dr. Day's office here in boston, Dr. Day is very familiar with moyamoya (although not as much as steinberg) and has performed numerous STA-MCA bypasses...  anyway, Dr. Day has agreed to see my dad, which is wonderful news because he is local, which means a lot to us all...avoiding the hassle of cross country travel would be wonderful.  So... onward we go, to opinion #3, lets hope that Dr. Day is able to provide my dad with some more concrete answers, one thing is for sure... having the surgery close to home would be a blessing! Once again, I thank you all for your help and support, I know my dad appreciates it too, as he has been reading all your responses!  I know that some of you have had your surgerys in Boston with Dr. Day, if you could share some info with us about him, and your experience with surgery that would be great!!
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Reply #10 - Feb 20th, 2010 at 2:32am
 
Hope all goes well for your father and you!!!!

Keep us posted.

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Reply #11 - Feb 20th, 2010 at 8:24am
 
When my daughter was diagnosed we sent her films to Dr. Steinberg and to Dr. Stephen Lewis at Shands Hospital, (in Gainesville, FL at Univ of Florida).  He looked at her films and agreed with Dr. Steinberg.  You may want to contact them and see if he will give you a third opinion.  We were very pleased with Dr. Lewis and his staff.  Destin won't go anywhere else for her followups.
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