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Sep 21st, 2010 at 6:46pm
 
We have just been given the devastating news that my brother in law has this condition.  Unfortunately the diagnosis came after he suffered a massive hemmorhagic stroke on Sunday.  They just did an angio today and told us one of the main vessels to his brain ruptured and now the moyamoya is trying to re route the blood supply, but as you guys know, this is to small, weak vessels.  He is at a gold standard stroke hospital, but they are saying there are no surgical options for him.  He had a drain inserted yesterday because the blood was draining into the ventricles of his brain. He is also intubated and in a medically induced coma.  He had been fighting his sedation hard so they had to put him under very deeply.  Their plan for the next few days is to see if they can remove the drain and see if he can breathe on his own.  They also want to keep his blood pressure very low to try and let his body heal itself.  He had about 45 cc's of free blood in his cranial vault so they are being pretty grim about his chances.  If anyone out there has any insight or suggestions, I'll take them.  He is 44 years old and otherwise very healthy.  No other medical concerns. 
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Reply #1 - Sep 22nd, 2010 at 7:50am
 
kitty,
Please don't wait around for theses doctor's "wait and heal". this is very dangerous for Moyamoya(MM). Please get a second opinion with an expert in MM like Doc. Steinberg's team or someone listed in the surgeons with bypass experience tab on this site. Surgery is one of the only options we have.

I has a stroke before I was diagnosed and they put me on blood thinners and wondered why my condition was deteriorating. Then they did an angiogram and said this kind-of looks like MM but I can have it because I am not Asian. Well I looked up MM and then got a second opinion. Today is my six year anniversary of my successful surgery. I am here today because I got a second opinion from an expert in MM.

I will pray for your brother in law.

Don't wait for the second opinion.
Stay strong,
Becky
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What doesn't kill us, makes us stronger. And sometimes leaves a cool looking scar.     STA-MCA bypass and EMS Surgeries done at same time at the Mayo clinic
 
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Reply #2 - Sep 22nd, 2010 at 8:19am
 
Welcome to the group, so sorry you need us but you've definatly come to the right place. Becky said it quite well please please get a second opinion form a real MM specialist. Someone who sees MM patients on a daily basis. Thsi may be a great stroke hospital but unless they have a LOT of experience with MM they are not the ones I would want making life and death decisions. It's so easy to get a second opinion and it can't hurt. MM is progressive and unpredictable. Please keep us posted and ask away if you have any specific questions. Many mnay prayers for your brother inlaw and family.
Mary Grace
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Reply #3 - Sep 22nd, 2010 at 10:48am
 
I'm sorry to hear about your bro in law but as Becky said, don't wait and see. My son's neurologist told our family that he will be ok with ASIPRIN and doesn't need a surgery. When I got 2nd opinion from Dr. Scott in Boston and Dr. Steinberg in CA (which they both are the expert in moyamoya) they agree that my son needs a surgery ASAP! Please get a 2nd opinion from the MMD expert! My thoughts and prayer are with you. Take care.

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Reply #4 - Sep 22nd, 2010 at 12:49pm
 
Thank you guys so much.  I did some research and found Dr. Duke Samson at UT Southwest in Dallas.  I saw him mentioned on this website, but not alot about him. I gave my sis this doc's info and called my mom and stressed that someone needs to call this doc.  He is the only Moyamoya specialist in this part of Texas.  I'm on the verge of calling him myself, but I'm going to give them the opportunity to do it first.  He has remained stable overnight.  Blood pressure is 111/70.  Does Dr. Steinberg ever comment on this site?  From what I've researched, it doesn't really matter where the rupture occured, the bypass would take place in the same spot?  I wish I could be there, but I live about 3 hrs away.  My sis told me to stay put and she will call me if she needs me there. Sorry if this is rambling and disjointed.  Kinda the way I feel right now! 
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Reply #5 - Sep 22nd, 2010 at 2:46pm
 
Thanks to all who have responded to badkitty.  I am another sister of hers, and we are both desperately searching for information to help our other sis & her husband.  This is so new for our whole family, not to mention extremely sudden.  Any info you can provide will be most helpful.  We'll keep you posted, and thank you again for your time, concern & information.
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Reply #6 - Sep 22nd, 2010 at 2:49pm
 
Kitty,
I am so happy your trying to motivate your sister to get the second opinion. I would not wait too long to see if they will call him before you call him. There are some doctors who do post on this site but I have not seen anything from Dr.Steinberg himself. Stay strong for your family. Please keep us posted on his condition.
Becky
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Reply #7 - Sep 22nd, 2010 at 9:18pm
 
Thanks again guys.  It is such a blessing to have this resource online.  It turns out that the specialist at UT Southwestern also happened to be a friend of a friend of my brother in law's.  He has looked at the case and said that for now, his doc's are doing exactly as they should.  They basically need to get him past this and he is way too critical for surgery.  Dr. Duke said he will be keeping in communication with the dr's at Plano and will step in as needed. 

They brought him out of sedation briefly today, but he didn't respond well to commands.  He opened his eyes very briefly and squeezed his hand about 30 secs after they asked him to. They put him back under and will try again next week.  He is sedated w/ Propofol, so it is easy to bring him back and put him under as needed.  They are keeping him sedated, because he has almost injured himself when not and because they are trying to keep him as quiet as possible.

On a positive note, they were ripping tape off his right arm (affected side) while he was sedated and he jerked his arm and grimaced in pain, so we are hopeful there.  They are also going to try and see if he can breathe on his own in the next few days.  If not, he will be getting a trach tube.

I've been reading that bypass surgery cannot be done emergently, so I'm hoping we get him past this we no more strokes where we can schedule the bypass.

Again, thanks so much for any info you can give.  My sis, mudbug70 and I will be around!
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Reply #8 - Sep 23rd, 2010 at 4:00am
 
Sorry guys that you have to take this road in life, but it's well travelled.

There isn't much to be done right now, I don't believe any doctor will do bypass surgery while he is in such a delicate state. He is probably in the best place right now for his current state. Now is the time for you guys to get acquainted with moyamoya, get finances and/or medical insurance in place and find the right surgeon for you.

Stay positive. Your brothers responses to stimuli, however small or delayed, are fantastic.

We'll be thinking of you and keep us updated.

Mark (Luca's Dad)
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Reply #9 - Sep 23rd, 2010 at 7:57am
 
I am so sorry to hear about your situation... I was in your position a year ago, desperately seeking answers, so I know what you are going through and your family will be in my thoughts and prayers. I wanted to share a bit of hope with you, Last October, the night before Halloween my father suffered a large hemorrhagic stroke on the left side of his brain. After much diagnostic work, the doctors said that he had "moyamoya vessles" and but not moyamoya disease. One of these vessels ruptured which caused his stroke... anyway after a week in the hospital my dad was sent home to recover and was told not to do anything strenuous, ever... and he should be okay, they would monitor him... anyway this didn't sit well with us so we began our research and sent his scans to Dr. Steinberg who diagnosed him with unilateral MM and wanted him to come out to CA for surgery, insurance denied the request so we had to find someone in our state who could perform the surgery... he then met with Dr. Arthur Day who confirmed the dx of MM, but could not do the surgery because he was leaving the hospital in Boston the next day to pursue a new position out of state... lucky us huh?! Anyway long story short, we ended up seeing Dr. Christopher Ogilvy (a brilliant neuro surgeon in Boston with MM experience) who saved my dads life!! My dad had his bypass 1 month ago today and is doing AMAZING!! He says its like he has a new life, most of his symptoms are gone and he says its the best he has felt in years...he is already back to boating, yard work and playing golf, a true miracle after all that we went through over the past year!! We know we will have to live with MM for the rest of his life, and that is scary, but the surgery truly was life saving, and life changing!! SO.... the point of my story is don't give up!! There is hope, there are good stories out there. A lot of what you will read is very scary, but just keep yourself educated and hopefully he will recover from this acute phase and then just work on finding him a surgeon and getting his strength back so that he can have the surgery. Without this Website my father wouldn't have had the surgery, and god only knows what his fate would have been. But there is hope, good luck to you and your family!! BTW, my dad was 55 when this all began.
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