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Mar 25th, 2011 at 11:27am
 
Our son is 15 years old and was diagnosed with MM on 3/09/2011 after suffering what we now know was his second stroke.  We were completely unaware of the first stroke, until the second incident occured and an MRI was done.  Two days after being in ICU, he suffered a third stroke.  They have also discovered Leiden Factor V mutation.  He is doing REMARKABLY well considering all he has endured.  He is still hospitalized, but is now on the rehabilitation floor.  We still have MANY unanswered questions and fears.

I have been reading the experiences some of you have shared about surigcal treatment.  Is surgery an option after the patient has suffered this many strokes? 

Any and all advice you can offer would be greatly appreciated.
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Reply #1 - Mar 25th, 2011 at 12:52pm
 
TexasMom,
Welcome to the family! I am sorry to hear your son is going through the rough patch, but you are here and have the MM diagnosis so your answeres are just a post away.

First you will need to find a neurologist that has a background in MM.

Secondly This MM expert neurologist will be able to know which surgery will help your son the most. Yes, surgery especially after the multiple strokes. What the surgery does is supplies the need blood flow to the weakened by MM spots in the brain to possibly prevent future strokes. There are different kinds of surgeries that only the MM Expert Neurologist will be able to tell you the one(s) your son will need to have done.

My Personal story: I had one stroke which lead to my diagnosis of my MM. My neurologist did the STA-MCA bypass and the EMS surgeries done at the same time.  What worked for me may not work for you son's MM. Everyone is different with different lasting symptoms.

Stay Strong and Knowledge is Power! Please feel free to ask anything.
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Reply #2 - Mar 25th, 2011 at 1:43pm
 
Texasmom, Welcome to the MM family. I'm sorry your son is dealing with MM but you've found a great place for information and support.
  My daughter was almost 5 when she was diagnosed. She suffered 3 strokes before her surgery. She has had no strokes since her surgery. Her surgery was with one of the few MM specialists, Dr. Scott in Bosotn.r. Scott and Dr. Steinburg are both a great professional to consult with on your son's case. YOu can find their contact info on this site. Olease feel free to ask any and all question you might have. I know probably one of the most stressful times for a family but there are so many here who've been through this themselves or with a loved one. No question is too small. Many prayers fro your family.
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Reply #3 - Mar 25th, 2011 at 3:32pm
 
Thank you for the responses.

We have been told that our son has "virtually no carotid arteries".  Does the surgery you have described work for cases such as this?  Forgive me is I sound ignorant...I really am ignorant when it comes to this diagnosis.

How do we get him to a place that can help?  He is in a top rated children's hospital, and the neurologists and neurosurgeons there have told us they have treated moyamoya before BUT not a case this severe.  We have asked about transfering him to Boston (at our own expense if need be) and were told that we should trust that they are seeking advice from all over the country.  Should we just take it upon ourselves to send his records, scans, etc to Boston, Houston, etc?  PLEASE advise us.  We are desperate.
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Reply #4 - Mar 25th, 2011 at 5:10pm
 
Texasmom, Do not apokogise for asking questions you do not sound ar all ignorant. You're doing exactly whst you should be doing, getting all the knowledge you can about this disease and the care your son is getting. We were lucky enough to be reffered to a specialiist as soon as my daughter was diagnosed. I would not hesitate to send oyour sons scans and records to Dr. Scott and/or Dr. Steinburgh for a consult. I think a good Dr. If many of our MM family members had listened to a neurologist who said "trust me" and were not a specialist they may not have had a good outcome.  TRUST yourself and the specialists. It's easy to get a consult from these Dr.'s. I would not want someone making these decisions who did not treat moyamoya on a reg basis and.
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Reply #5 - Mar 25th, 2011 at 5:17pm
 
Thank you, Mary.

So do we just ask for all of his records and send them to Boston ourselves?  He is still inpatient and they are telling us he may be there for several months.  Should I just call Boston?  Again, I appreciate your help.
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Reply #6 - Mar 25th, 2011 at 6:26pm
 
my daughter had 7 before surgery casuse it too a week to find out what is wrong with her
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Reply #7 - Mar 25th, 2011 at 10:18pm
 
Texasmom, welcome to the mm family. Am sorry to hear about your son. You can get your son's records and all test's and MRI's put on a disk and send to Boston. The hospital should be able to do this. Mine did. You also might want to try and call because I hear Dr. Scott is very good. I am alot older than your son.I was diagnosed at the age of 52 and had EMS surgery one year later. I am now 58 and the surgery has given me 6 more year's. You and your family are in my prayers, Sharon

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Reply #8 - Mar 26th, 2011 at 4:34am
 
texasmom i just want to let u know i understand and all of us in a way and i am fairly new to the website here but the surgery that bryanna had eads and it has stopped the most damaging things to her no more strokes just a few tias and sezuires now but she can walk agin feed herself only took her a week after surgery to relearn all that stuff but she only had 20%blood flow on the right side of her brain and less than that on the left so i can defantly say that surgery helps alot
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Reply #9 - Mar 26th, 2011 at 8:28pm
 
Hi Texas Mom and Welcome!

I'm sorry to hear your son is having to endure so much at such a young age but you have come to the right place.

My brother had a dissected right upper internal carotid artery. It was laying in his neck and was described to me like a wet roll of paper towel. His other carotid was 90% blocked. He had stroked several times and was having multiple TIAs daily. In 2005, I was told he was too far gone for surgery. I found Dr. Steinberg at Stanford through this site and he agreed to take a look at my brother and the rest is history. My point is there is hope. My brother was in bad condition and I personally thought he would not be a candidate for MM surgery and I wasn't certain he would survive the trip to California but he did and he had two direct bypasses and is alive and doing well six years later.

Dr. Scott at Boston is an excellent MM specialist. My brother couldn't be treated by Dr. Scott simply because my brother was too old. Otherwise, we would have gone to him because Boston is much closer than Stanford.

I agree with the previous post to call Dr. Scott.

Please know we are here to support you in any way we can so please ask questions.

I wish you and your son the very best and please keep us posted.

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Reply #10 - Mar 27th, 2011 at 10:54am
 
It sounds like you've gotten some very good advice.  I agree calling Dr. Scott would be a great place to start. His contact information is on this site, I think under moyamoyalinks. From our experinece he and his staff are very caring and usually get back to you in a timely manner. He is also very easy to reach via email. He will want to go over your daughter's scans and can direct you as to how to get them to him. I'm glad you found this site. Keep us posted.
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Reply #11 - Mar 28th, 2011 at 3:24pm
 
As of Friday, the team at the hospital said they are gathering all of our son's information to send to Boston and Stanford.  We are hoping to get that ball rolling, as it is extremely frustrating to wait and wonder every day if he is going to have another stroke, or worse.

Today is his 19th day in the hospital, and so far he has not yet had an angiogram.  We are told that they need to wait until 4 weeks after his last stroke to obtain an accurate angiogram.  He has had countless MRIs and MRAs, as well as blood tests.  I believe I mentioned before that he has also been diagnosed with Factor V Leiden deficiency, and we are told this has complicated his case further.  The hemotologist has told us that at this point all we can do is try to regulate his medication and pray.  He is going to physical therapy daily, but we have been told that over exertion could trigger another stroke so he is being monitored closely during therapy. 

I would like to hear from any/all of you if this sounds like the normal course of treatment.  Is there really nothing else we can do right now other than pray?  I firmly believe in the power of prayer and believe God has already worked through our son in the previous weeks, but I also don't want to sit back and put too much trust in the doctors if there is more that should be done at this point.

Two weeks ago we were on the verge of having to decide whether to allow the docs to drill burr holes in his skull to relieve the pressure (a procedure that the docs were almost certain he would not survive at that point).  Now we are in "wait and see" mode.  We are tremendously grateful that his pain has decreased and that he has made progress.  We just want to be certain everything that CAN be done IS indeed being done.

Thank you all for your input.
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Reply #12 - Mar 29th, 2011 at 8:35am
 
Hi TexasMom,

Where are you in Texas?  Texas Children's in Houston has a dr that has taken care of many moyamoya patients, probably not as many as Dr Scott, but they have shared research on the subject.  His name is Dr Dauser.  He took excellent care of my daughter.  She had two strokes before she was diagnosed also, and our hospital where we live (Kansas) sent us there. 
She did not have the extra complication of the Factor V deficiency though.  We did have an angiogram - approximately a month after the second stroke, but that was because they wouldn't do it at our local hosp - they wanted it done at Texas Children's by someone who does lots of angiograms on children. 
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Reply #13 - Mar 29th, 2011 at 9:40am
 
  That's great that your Dr.'s are reaching out to the specialists. Most likely the surgeon who does your daughter's surgery will want to also do the angio. Kathleen did not have her angio here she had it in Boston about a month after her stroke.Dr. Scott wanted it done in Boston Children's Hospital. Have your Dr.'s given you any precautions such as not allowing him to hyperventilate or become dehydrated? Also is he on asprin?  I'm not sure what your son's complication is but these are the things we were told to help prevent strokes while waiting for surgery. Keep us posted. I know some days feel unbearable just worrying about another stroke but your family is in my prayers.
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Reply #14 - Mar 29th, 2011 at 9:55am
 
Update...

Another MRI was done last night, as our son has developed new symptoms that could possibly indicate that a 4th stroke has occured.  We are supposed to meet with the medical team this morning to go over the results and the plan of treatment.  They told us last night that Houston and Boston have both declined to consider him as a surgical candidate because the Factor V Leiden makes him that much more of a high risk patient.  They also said that if there are any new hot spots on this MRI, they will be transferring him to Stanford, but they are still not certain if the Stanford team will consider surgery.  The lead neurosurgeon here at Cook's Children's Hospital in Ft Worth told us that everyone they have consulted is perplexed and amazed that he is "still here".  As you can imagine, those are frightening words to hear.

Meanwhile, his attitude remains good and he continues to amaze us daily with his will to get better.  This is definitely a test of faith, but God is faithful and in control.  We know this.
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Reply #15 - Mar 29th, 2011 at 10:47am
 
Texasmom, I'm so sorry to hear your son may have ahd another stroke. I looked up the Factor V Leiden since I had no idea what this meant as far as complications for your son. The way I understand the blood is more likely to clot? this does sound like a very seriouse complication for a MM patient. Does your son take blood thinners? 
   I remember how  going through this with my daughter tested our faith. We had so many people praying for her.I will keep your family in my prayers. Please keep us posted.
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Reply #16 - Mar 29th, 2011 at 1:16pm
 
i am so sorry and from what i understand about the factor v it seems it is kinda like what bryanna has a prothombin mutation in her blood makes alot of differance and here in alaska they still did surgery just not the transplant of veins they did an edas surgery if all else fails i can get u the numbers to the nero surgens up here he is great i think he has had 6 cases of moyamoya last yr alone made me very comfertable to know that they have a great childrens hospital in anchorage   i am sorry for what u are going thur keep me posted i ll send my number to you if you need to talk call me
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Reply #17 - Mar 29th, 2011 at 2:26pm
 
Update...latest MRI showed 2 new strokes. March 8, 2011 we had a healthy son without a care in the world and now he has had 5 strokes?!  Hard to wrap your mind around this.

They are stopping all his blood thinners in hopes of getting an angiogram tomorrow.  The neurosurgeon will review the angiogram with the neurosurgeon at Stanford and they will decide if he is a candidate for surgery.  If he is, they will transfer him to California and operate almost immediately.  If he is not a candidate...well let's just pray that he IS!!!!
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Reply #18 - Mar 30th, 2011 at 6:12am
 
Praying that your son will be accepted for surgery. Please keep us posted...
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Reply #19 - Mar 30th, 2011 at 9:16am
 
Praying for your son today that all goes well with the Angiogram and that he will be a candidate for surgery at Stanford.
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Reply #20 - Mar 30th, 2011 at 11:49am
 
Praying for your son. Hope he will be able to get the surgery immediately.

Stay Strong. Your on the correct path. We are all here to support you and your son. Please keep us posted.
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Reply #21 - Mar 30th, 2011 at 1:03pm
 
we are praying i got all of my family in fort worth praying for you good luck god bless and you shall prevail
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Reply #22 - Mar 30th, 2011 at 4:36pm
 
Oh, I know how scary this can be! Please know that we are praying! Please update as soon as you can!!

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Reply #23 - Mar 31st, 2011 at 9:01am
 
  Hoping and praying for some good news today.
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Reply #24 - Mar 31st, 2011 at 7:03pm
 
He has been accepted by and transferred to the stroke center at Herman Memorial in Houston.  They plan to do surgery in the coming days.  Thank you for your continued prayers and support.
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