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May 27th, 2005 at 1:56am
 
I have posted before about me having lab work too see if i have a viral infection or something like that. I have what is called a Chlamydia anti-body i believe is what i was told. Im not exactly shure what that is if im correct it some kind of bacteria infection or something like that? I am on zithromax for it and have to have blood work done again next week to test for it. Has anyone heard of that or anything like it? Below is the definiton of chlamydial that aol gives you if it helps or if anyone is confused.

Main Entry: chla·myd·ia
Pronunciation: kl&-'mi-dE-&
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s):  plural chla·myd·i·ae /-dE-"E/
Etymology: New Latin, from Greek chlamyd-, chlamys
Date: 1966
1 : any of a genus (Chlamydia, family Chlamydiaceae) of spherical gram-negative intracellular bacteria; especially : one (C. trachomatis) that causes or is associated with various diseases of the eye and urogenital tract including trachoma, lymphogranuloma venereum, cervicitis, and some forms of urethritis
2 : a disease or infection caused by chlamydiae
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Reply #1 - May 27th, 2005 at 2:48am
 
Brad,

Um, I'm fairly certain Chlamydia isn't related to Moyamoya as either a cause or symptom.  A simple search on Google brings up this link you might want to take a look at:  http://www.niaid.nih.gov/factsheets/stdclam.htm

I'm also fairly certain your doctor should have done a MUCH better job of explaining the results of your tests to you...

Best of luck to you!
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Reply #2 - May 27th, 2005 at 11:29am
 
Dj,

I know what your thinking i dont have the sexually transmitted one I have a diffrent form that has to do with anti-bodys or something like that. Yea i know i dont really understand the test that well but if i can i will have my mom get on and see if she can explain it better. But to help clear it up a little but it isnt the sexually transmitted one.
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Reply #3 - May 27th, 2005 at 12:16pm
 
Here are the Chlamydia species that my nuerosurgeon had me tested for so people can look them up.

chlamydia pnuemoniae
chlamydia trachomatis
chlamydia psittaci
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Reply #4 - May 27th, 2005 at 2:36pm
 
Hi Brad,

Okay, this is what I *think* people are trying to tell you.  It doesn't matter WHAT is bringing on your symptoms of MM (whether it be an infection, running, blowing out candles, you get my drift), the fact is if you are having symptoms, something is still not right in your brain concerning the blood flow.   

IMO, your doctor should really be looking at what's going on in your brain at this point and not focusing on infections.  Have you had an angio lately?  How about a SPECT?  Could be, since you had the indirect bypass which takes time to work, that you still don't have enough blood flow.  Could be that the MM has progressed to your other side.  Could be that the surgery didn't work.  I am just hypothesizing here but they could all be reasons why you are not feeling well.  Then you get something, like an infection, or do something physical and it brings on your MM symptoms.  The fact is that you wouldn't be having symptoms if you had good blood flow, no matter if you have an infection or not.   

I had direct bypass surgery on my left side two years ago.  When I started getting symptoms again, from various activities (even when I had the common cold), I KNEW something was not right again in my brain.   I sent my films to Dr. Steinberg and he knew my first surgery was a bust.  He DID not dwell on the various things that brought on my symptoms, such as infections or running, but focused on what was going on in my brain. 

Your case is a bit frustrating to me as I would love to see your doctor focusing more on what's going on in your brain at this point and not infections.  I would highly suggest you contact either Dr. Scott or Dr. Steinberg with all your symptoms and any tests/films you may have had done recently.

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Reply #5 - May 28th, 2005 at 11:23am
 
Lisa,

I fully understand you and you are absolutley right on everything. My surgeon according to him his concern was that the infection or what ever was progressing my moya moya. My surgeon to be honest seems to think moya moya is related to having viral infections and things like those. I am trying to go for a second opinion but it is difficult to get my insurrance to pay for it. Yes because i had an indirect bypass down it will take longer for the blood flow to return wich was another concern that the infection slowed down the blood flow, or blocked off the artery that they planted, or that it made the right side of my head worse and is cutting of the collateral blood that i am recieving from my right to the left. I have not had an angio done since before my surgery wich was on dec 13, 2004. I have not had a spect or anything like that done at all since my opperation. It is a little hard for me though to go see dr.scott or any of the docotrs out there cause I live all the way in Fl and not many doctors down here really really know about moya moya and everything. Thank you for your post it is absolutly right but thats what this website is for and the support you get on it. Thankyou once again.
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Reply #6 - May 28th, 2005 at 11:30am
 
Brad,

You must be so frustrated.... I've been reading your posts, and have hesitated to respond, because I just didn't know what advice I could give you.

I think LisaH wrote a great post to you.  It also seems that your neurologist is saying that the viral infection you have is not just causing symptoms, but actually causing, or worsening, your moyamoya disease.  Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be much proof that a bacterial/viral infection would really affect the Moyamoya pathology itself.

It also occured to me, though, that you would likely be better off talking to someone who has more experience dealing with infectious diseases.   There is a type of doctor called an Infectious Disease specialist. 

Once I thought of this, I began wondering why your neurologist didn't refer you to one, in the first place, when he suspected that you were fighting a virus.   When Daphne tested positive for CMV, even though the virus can cause neurological complications, Daphne's neurologist told us to see a Infectious Disease specialist.  This specialist knew the right blood work to run, knew how to interpret it, and knew how to explain the results of the testing to us.

If you have a general practice doctor, I would contact him/her and tell him that you want a referral to an infectious disease doctor.   I really feel that you need this type of doctor to interpret your lab results and set the record straight.

Please feel free to PM me or email me (moyer305@comcast.net) if I can answer any questions.

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Reply #7 - May 28th, 2005 at 11:58am
 
Hi again.   I just saw your post to LisaH, and wanted to tell you that, even if it is difficult for you to see Dr. Scott or Dr. Steinberg, you can send either one of them your films and surgery record, and they will email you their opinion absolutely free.

Of course, once you get the ball rolling you may need to see one of them.  But, there are some resources on this site.  There are people here who've battled their insurance to get to see the mm specialist of their choice.  If you post  requesting insurance advice, you probably could get some help there.  Also, many airlines will give you free or reduced air fare, if you end up needing it.

Just want to make sure you know that you have options!

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Reply #8 - May 28th, 2005 at 12:33pm
 
Jenny,

You are right part of me agrees about seeing one but I dont know much about what i have or anything. As far as I know it is some kind of bacterial infeciton that i have but even with that I suppose I could see a infectious disease doctor. Yes I could send them to one of those doctors and im shure it will be keep in mind. My mom reads alot of my post and ill see what she says and if she agrees it will probably happen. Yes I know there are some airlines that if it is going to happen are willing to cut deals with people about reduced are fairs. Thank you for your help so far you have been dead on with alot if not everything
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Reply #9 - May 28th, 2005 at 6:32pm
 
Well said Jenny! I also think a Infectious Disease specialist just might very well be the answer. But Brad, in addition to that, IF you're having MM symptoms, (I don't know if you are) then there could be two totally different things going on, so even if you see a infectious disease specialist, I believe as Lisa does, it’s just as important to get a MM specialist. He would better know from experience how to deal with both your MM along with a viral infection and the associated problems.

In all fairness and respect for your doctor, I think I kind of understand where he might be coming from with all this, but I believe, as Jenny said, there isn’t any proof. BUT I have read where some researchers believe with various other diseases that certain viral infections actively invades your blood cells, and that could mean cells that line the blood vessels, so with that logic, in short, it could mean, that he feels a viral infection may play heavily into MM disease itself and how it progresses. Although again, since it’s never been proven, it’s like Lisa said, if you’re having MM symptoms, your MM should be what’s important, to prevent a possible stroke.

The bottom line is, Moyamoya IS a progressive disease!! A virus does not make MM worse or it doesn’t mean that MM gets worse because the indirect surgery hasn’t fully developed yet. It could just simply be MM the disease itself presenting symptoms. It’s common for MM to progress to both sides of the brain. That’s why we urge a specialist, one who is on top of the possible problems associated with this disease.

At any rate, I hope and pray you find your answers to all this, so you can live a long, healthy normal life with MM.

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Reply #10 - May 28th, 2005 at 9:01pm
 


   My doctors said that viral, bacterial infection do not cause moyamoya, but they can add to the misery you already experience.  I have probable TMJ, I also have chronic sinusitis & deep inner ear infections, having problems with them right now, but was told these are symptoms having nothing to do with moyamoya, but aggrivators of an already progressive disease.

  So when you have any kind of upper resperatory funk going on, please take your meds so you do not have to suffer needlessly & add to the misery of your moyamoya condition.

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Reply #11 - May 28th, 2005 at 10:52pm
 
Mar and Annie,

You both are right. I can even see were my surgeon is going with it but there is no evidence linking it. Yes I have had moya moya like symptoms with having miny seizures again and headaches that sometime get really bad. A blind spot also has accured when having a seizure. My surgeon is supposedly an MM specialist who he has said done about 30 cases of people with moya moya but my mom is fighting for me go to get another specialist for a second opinion. It is just possible that i have some kind of infection that has nothing to do with moya moya and the two are just interacting giving me symptoms or it could have interacted with my moya moya possibly progressing it more or it could have done absolutely nothing I wont know this thow until some kind of test is done. I am going to go see my primary care doctor this wensday to see if she agrees on an infectious disease doctor wich she more then likely will and ill be seeing one. My mom also agrees wich is another reason she wants a second opinion cause my surgeon has never mentioned anything about even seeing one but with my case the more doctors too make shure everything goes smooth the better. It is fraustrating but as always you cant give up cause moya moya can throw things at you or can help throw things at you like infections and things of that sort. I am very pleased the with the support and help everyone has given me and it is greatly appreciated. Any other support or advice is always welcomed. Thank you moya moya family
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Reply #12 - May 29th, 2005 at 9:45am
 
Brad,

I am glad you and your mom are continuing to fight through this.  Unfortunately, as I'm sure you've learned, you really have to take your health in your own hands -- especially with Moyamoya.

Please keep us updated on how things are going.

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Reply #13 - May 29th, 2005 at 10:53am
 
Jenny,

Yes I know you have to but i have to have my moms help and everything cause of me i slur my words and everything, my storke that i had before the surgery has given me bad short term memory, and i have a visual field deficit that i have to keep an eye on it so i cant drive right now because of that and my seizures. I know though sooner or latter it all will be in my own hands but it doesnt help to have help when you need it or want it
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Reply #14 - Jun 1st, 2005 at 3:02am
 
Brad,

I can totally understand the difficulty in getting back to Boston etc. because of insurance issues.  I'm wondering though if you couldn't convince the neurosurgeon there in Florida to at least order you an MRI/MRA , a SPECT or an angio.  At least you all would have some inkling of what's going on in your brain.   It kind of seems the norm (from reading people's experiences on this board) to have a follow-up angio (or at least one of the above tests)  3-6 months after surgery.  I would think that you are about due for some tests along those lines. Especially since you continue to experience symptoms!  Do you think you could convince him to do that?  That way, you could perhaps send those films to Dr. Scott or Dr. Steinberg for their opinion and go on from there. 

Just a thought,
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Reply #15 - Jun 2nd, 2005 at 1:08pm
 
Lisa,

My nuerosurgeon as already said with me having an idirect by-pass done is is too soon to do an angio cause there is a chance that an angio could give me another stroke. It is a slight chance but no reason to risk it. I have had an MRI done a couple of times, and i have gone for an MRI just about a month ago so I have done those. A spect he has not done yet and I dont know if they have the material in Palm Beach County in Fl to do one. I am currently going to go see a second opinion once my referals go threw then i am going to go to a universaty where they are more update and specialize on moya moya. When i can make it there more then likely he will run a spect or something to see what is going on. Thanks for your reply.
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Reply #16 - Jun 6th, 2005 at 11:57pm
 
Update on all my infections and stuff. I dont have an infection or anything at one point i did but i dont have one and probably havent had one in a while. My doctor put me on zithromax and was probably being way too careful. My primary care said i didnt need to be on zithromax and isnt going to bother order anymore test. I still am having small symptoms like a week ago or two I had 2 really small seizures that didnt do much but i had 2 like 30 seconds apart that only lasted about 20 secs maybe less.. I am going to go see my nuero and probably update my meds. Thanks for reading.
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