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Michell
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MM only vs multiple medical problems including MM
Jul 28th, 2005 at 7:41pm
 
I have been wondering this for a while.  Let me start by telling those who don't know about my son (Trey) that he was diagnosed with MM at 10 months of age after two strokes.  He is two now and seems to be doing very well, except that he doesn't use his left side like he does his right.  He does have some developmental delay, but he is doing great. 

My question comes from him being so young and unable to tell me if he is in pain or if something is just not right with him.  Question: Does MM sometimes come as a single medical problem or does it always come along with other medical problems? I have read where it is supposed to usually show in Asian, or with other medical problems, in girls not boys, hereditary/not necessarily hereditary.....so I thought that with some of my information not being quite where it needs to be, you know as clear as mud, I would ask for a "Poll" to see how many multiple problems with MM vs MM only there are out there.  It seems at this point that Trey only has MM. 

I am sure that this post could be worded differently.  I am sorry if it seems a little rough, I didn't know exactly how to word it.  Even after typing it I don't know how to word it.

Thanks for your help, if you could just ping or bump or whatever the computer lingo and let me know if this disease can come singular or always multiple.

Thanks,

Michell

Trey---MM only
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Re: MM only vs multiple medical problems including
Reply #1 - Jul 29th, 2005 at 9:35am
 
I definitely think you can *just* have MM, without other health problems (as if having MM isn't enough!!)

My daughter does have some other health issues, including a coarctation of the aorta (narrowed aortic arch) and a seizure disorder.

The seizure disorder probably is only a symptom of the MM disease, though, so I'm not sure if it counts as a seperate health issue or not!

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Re: MM only vs multiple medical problems including
Reply #2 - Jul 29th, 2005 at 12:05pm
 
Michelle -

That's a very interesting question!  I do have another medical condition that is also very rare.....called Arthrogryposis.  It's a genetic muscular-skeletal (sp?) disorder.  It presents as tight muscles.  For example, I can't straighten my arms out to their full extent.  I really only have it very mild....you really wouldn't know unless I told you.  My younger brother has it a lot worse....or more noticable I should say.  We both used to see a geneticist at Dupont Hospital in Delaware.  Beleive it or not - another Dr. Scott!  (Dr. Charles Scott).

Anyway, when I was first dignosed with MM, my mom e-mailed Dr. C. Scott to ask him whether there was any link between MM and Arthrogryposis.   He e-mailed back (he remembered both my brother and I even though we hadn't seen him in nearly 20 years!) stating that there was no link (he did know about MM, by the way).

But, I would be very intrested in seeing responses to your post!

-Shari
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Re: MM only vs multiple medical problems including
Reply #3 - Jul 29th, 2005 at 12:43pm
 
SmileyI was just reading the interesting information that you were sharing about the link between MM and other disorders.  I was diagnosed with MM in the summer of 2001 when I was emergently taken to the emergency department at Thomas Jefferson University Hospital with intractable headaches.  My primary physician was concerned that I might by having a stroke due to my history of migraines and the quality of the headache....Essentially I was in danger. 

While in Jefferson for a week and after multiple tests they discovered that  both of my corotid arteries are almost fully occluded, and then found the MM. Before that my neurologist was treating me for temperal arteritis and migraines.

Now, 4 years later I am having a change in the quality and quantity of headaches.  I've lost my job (2nd time) and my limbs are starting to burn from foot to hips and all on the left side.

I'm having to push my insurance provider to cover a minimal MRI to see what's going on...

any suggestions?
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Reply #4 - Jul 29th, 2005 at 2:36pm
 
CharlotteK,

Hi... I was reading your post, and was wondering if you've been surgically treated for your moyamoya disease.

The symptoms you describe do sound very concerning!  If you have had the surgery, I would call the neurosurgeon and ask for a letter of necessity -- it sounds like you really need an MRI or MRangiogram to figure out what's going on.

If you haven't been surgically treated, you should get in touch with a moyamoya specialist ASAP.  You can probably get started just by having your studies from four years ago sent to the doctor of your choice.

Jenny
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Reply #5 - Jul 29th, 2005 at 4:50pm
 
Hi Charlottek -

I was diagnosed at the Univ. of Pennsylvania.  My insurance company wanted me to see a Dr. Rosenwasser at Thomas Jefferson.  Now, I'm sure he's a good Neurologist, but NOT FOR MOYAMOYA.  I did some research on him and he's only had about 2 or 3 MM patients in the 10 or so years he's been with Jeff.  They also said that he usually treats MM with medicine. 

I'm strongly suggesting (urging you) to get another opinion about your MM.  My Neuro who diagnosed me at Penn suggested that I go out of state for a surgeon, which is exactly the advice I took.  Please see a MM specialist.  I, initially, had to fight my insurance company too (those insurance companies make me so mad!).  But please, do what you need to do to get to a MM specialist.  I don't mean to be alarming or scare you, but the symptoms you described definitely scared me!!  MM is a progressive disease - it doesn't get better.

If you want to talk, please PM or e-mail me.  Thanks!

-Shari
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Reply #6 - Jul 29th, 2005 at 6:51pm
 
Hi Michell,

All we know for sure so far, is that Moyamoya is a lone cerebrovascular disease, but I'd bet there are many questions driving scientists’ and researchers crazy because of the implications of other associated problems. In the research I’ve read, they talk about the coexistence of other conditions in some cases, but they keep saying that it suggests a genetic predisposition, and they can’t seem to find the link to answer if it’s coincidental or not, but implications none the less, yet, so many factors involved. It’s too obscure for my understanding. I read in one study where they believe the elevation of a certain protein could be a candidate for the pathogenesis of MM. I hope I live to see them find the answers.

Oh, and Happy birthday!

Mar
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Re: MM only vs multiple medical problems including
Reply #7 - Jul 29th, 2005 at 9:34pm
 
While at Ronald McDonald House for surgeries at Stanford, we met a little girl with MM that also affected her cardiac and renal arteries. Made Brian's situation look like a walk in the park. Brian only has MM, but both of his carotid arteries are GONE. Surgery is the only treatment for MM. When he was originally dx'd the neurologist wanted to treat him with vasodilators and see what would happen next. More strokes and death would have been what happened! I have read everything I could get my hands on about this disease over the past 5 years. Second opinions  serve a very useful purpose. Anyone with this disease should be evaluated by a neuro with as much expereince with this disease as possible.

..........Kathy
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Reply #8 - Jul 30th, 2005 at 8:26am
 
But Kathy, that's the key point, I think. She may have vascular disease affecting her heart and renal arteries, but that's not MMD, and they can't find the link to associate the other problems with MM, there's too many factors involved.
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Reply #9 - Jul 30th, 2005 at 12:17pm
 
Yoiu're right, MAR, I only know what her mom told me. I was glad that she was at Stanford with Steinberg.
In 2000, between the time Brian had his big stroke and the surgeries (2 months) I was able to access MM studies from Japan but had to have them translated. I know that I read some info on MM and other vascular diseases. Wish I could remember it all. I am particularly interested in the heredity factor. It does appear that nothing with this disease is written in stone. There  are so many knowlegeable people at this site! It's been 5 years since we started this journey. I can only hope that with help from people like you and the other members here that he road will be an easier one for those who come after us.  Smiley
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Re: MM only vs multiple medical problems including
Reply #10 - Jul 30th, 2005 at 3:40pm
 
Im no medical expert...just simply a MOM.

When Cara was first having problems as a 2 1/2 year old...she was walking like my father whenever he had a stroke...so my mom said I think Cara had a stroke..very small one....MRI showed nothing....but they after five days of negative testing of ALL SORTS of possiblities...was simply very high blood pressure and extra artery in one of her kidneys....plus a list of possible disorders...MM wasn't one of them 'yet'...but a possiblity ...yet they said its just simply "too rare" for it to be a possiblity.   While all my kids were adopted (Cara being from Guatemala and my three boys from California while we were living there)..."rarity" occurs in my family. 

I will always wonder if "one thing is what triggers the other"....there is always a possiblity while there is no written connection...some day it may happen.

While researching for a problem for my downhill problem few years ago...everything I research on the MS site (this was before google was fabulous or high speed was available).....nothing mention "B12 defiency" or pernicious anemia....the damage it does is very similiar to MS....so I saw all my symptoms to MS (couldn't have an MRI yet)...but something wasn't right.    The second the lady doctor pondered...."I wonder if you have a B12 defiency"   ....  I said are you kidding me...its what my dad has but he never experienced what s happening to me.....I couldnt wait to research B12 defiency (when red blood cells lack oxgyen...lack of oxygen goes through your body, brain especially)...yes I was losing function to farious of my body parts....until they realized it was it.

So when I researched B12....oh man oh...it kept saying similiar to MS...here and there.   then I went back to MS to see if I could find B12 defiency anywhere....I finally found one tiny piece of connection ...while no connection...gets mistaken for one or another at one point.   

So I get the feeling as time goes on...some connections will be found....especially with all the talk about "locating of the cancer gene"....so forth.....they'll find the "MM gene" someday...attack it before it does its toll on those we love.....until then we have each other.

tightest hugs,  CarasMOM
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Reply #11 - Aug 2nd, 2005 at 8:06pm
 
Tyler has other medical problems, but most of them are from his rough birth. However, it's interesting that the never found his Mitral Valve Prolaspe until he had his stroke. I know that the MVP runs in our family, but not finding it till he was 11 was weird.
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