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Negative effects after surgery
Feb 24th, 2007 at 11:49am
 
Hello!

It's been a while since I have been here.  I am coming up on my 2 year anniversary from my 1st surgery ( I had two, one right the other left).

I am wondering if any one else has had any servere mental or emotional problems since they have had surgery?

Previously I was an elected CFO for our town.  It has been a very devestating two years for me and my family.  I have struggled with the right meds and have been seeing a psychiatrist.  I have been through many mental ability tests and as a result I qualified for social security in Oct of 2005. 

When I was here last it seemed everyone had had great success and I was wondering if I was just weird or gone insane!?

I would greatly appreciate any feedback that you you feel like sharing with me.

Sincerely and with you all the way - still hanging in there!

Linda  Smiley
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Reply #1 - Feb 24th, 2007 at 7:20pm
 
Hi Linda,  Smiley

Welcome back. I'm so sorry to hear you're having problems. I don’t think you’ve gone insane at all Linda, I think when you’re dealing with the brain, it’s just so complex and delicate, and remember you’ve been through a lot.

Every MM case is different because of each individual’s personal factors involved. It’s not that it was successful for everyone and not you, necessarily. Yes, it was successful for many in getting the needed blood to the brain, but not without their individual struggles in some way; depending on what areas of the brain that was affected by MM. For example, many had prior strokes, damaging cells in areas of the brain associated with different functions. Perhaps MMD affected the part of their brain that had a direct link to their intellectual functions, speech, motor skills (like my niece Mandy) or involuntary movements, emotional functions, sleep, vision, etc. Many speak of all these problems even after successful surgery because that’s the area of the brain MMD affected in one way or another.

Here is a link to a thread where many discussed their problems coping after their surgery. You can PM any of these people and I’m sure they’ll discuss things with you and you’ll see you’re not alone.
http://www.moyamoya.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=news;action=display;num=1159203951

I don’t know your specifics, but I certainly know you’ve been through a lot, God love ya. I say give yourself time. Your brain is truly amazing and you are amazing for conquering what you have thus far. Hang in there.

You’ll be in my thoughts and payers.

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Reply #2 - Feb 24th, 2007 at 11:57pm
 
Hi Linda,
Sorry to hear you are still experiencing problems. As far as I can recall the left side of the brain governs the emotions and mental parts of living and I wouldn't think it would be hard to have this part affected  from surgery as a millimetre in the wrong direction can make a huge difference. When I had my first surgery (The left side) my emotions were badly affected - cried all the time, memory was really bad and  had an anger management problem!!! But I got my control back and what has changed since the surgery (like my forgetfulness of certain words I want to use) I have learnt to compensate for.

A psychologist should help you work through this tough time and maybe you can get people to help you organise your every day life. (My mom in law did that for a couple of months until I regained some normalcy)
She wrote everything down in my filofax and would phone me to remind me of things that were scheduled. My husband was a rock as well. I now do lots of crosswords to improve my memory and no longer have anger management issues - quite the opposite in fact - I am now a "whatever" type of person!
Give yourself time to recover and take time out for yourself - you are still the same person you have always been - it's just a matter of trying to control the situation to your advantage. Make it work for you - your feelings of helplessness are fuelling your feelings of inadequacy so don't let it beat you. I try to find the good in every situation that arises as I feel I can learn from every situation - both good and bad. You have also got to realise that your brain has been without adequate blood flow for ages and all of a sudden, is getting a bonus supply and it may be finding it hard to deal with this extra blood flow!!
Give yourself time - I am now 6 years post op and never been better!! Believe that this will be you in a short while!!
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Reply #3 - Feb 25th, 2007 at 10:30pm
 
Hi Linda, you're not alone, I going through problem like you right now, I seeing OT, PT, many difference neuro test, seeing psychiatric & counseler also, and yes I was think I'm insane because see other MM patient doing so well after surgery and I keep asking what wrong with me? I can't drive due to my mind lost Tongue Tongue, my memmory is bad, i have major depression, my concentrade is gone, (I think my head is empty inside Smiley Smiley.
Any way, hanging in there, hope thing will going to get better Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #4 - Apr 28th, 2007 at 5:30pm
 
Your recovery sounds like my daughter molly's(she is 12). She is an emotional wreck. She is almost 1 year post surgery. I also wondered if she was unique. She has been seeing a counselor and psychitrist for almost a year. Her condition is not getting better only worse. She has had one TIA and 4 other episodes. she has PTSD, GENERLIZED ANXIETY, DEPRESSION, SHE CANT CONCENTRATE ON HOMEWORK. SHE HAS DEVELOPED A FEW PHOBOIAS. She cant seem to learn. her vision has gone bad and has color perception problems. She dosent feel well it was not a miracle treatment. she is angry about the surgery and she just started carrying a tranquilizer around her neck in a nitro bottle to help keep her anxiety/panic under control because they cause TIAs and other problems!! I was glad to see your post. I now know were not alone
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Reply #5 - May 2nd, 2007 at 10:22am
 
Thank you for all your posts!  It's good to know I am not alone!

Everyone of you are such a help in any situation that arises for me!

i try to keep my chin up but some days it's very hard.

My husband is my rock alos.  At times he and my son just over look my blunderings - and other times they just have to laugh - as my husband says to keep from crying.  My son has become distant since surgery - trying not to upset me and a lot of times I feel very shut out - he is 17!

God bless you all and even though we have never met in person I appreciate and love you all!  Still haning in there and taking one day at a time!

With love and God bless!
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Reply #6 - May 2nd, 2007 at 12:24pm
 
Linda~

I appreciate your willingness to chat.

Yea,  the affects of strokes and surgery have left me 'new and unique'. I too have a husband who is totally supportive and has a wicked sense of humor.  Sometimes I feel like an alien, can't quite get with it, can't quite just BE. I feel labled as odd and someome who has to be sorta taken care of. Sometimes I get frustrated at having to be  monitord, even tho I can drive, shop, and look like I'm normal and thinking straight. I too was a 'well educated' professional woman. But, life is different now and, as my incredible doctor told me yesterday, I can think well and aspire, but have been left with brain damage due to strokes and not having much vascular system to begin with, so I tend to get frustrated. My emotions too vascilate and my ability level changes daily too..

But always enjoy the funny side of life.

Thanks for relating to thins.
You made me feel supported and not so alone.

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Reply #7 - May 8th, 2007 at 11:51pm
 
I am not sure what to say.........Robert has shown the oppisite pre surgery he was a emotional wreck and creid at almost anything.....since surgery he is alot better on controling his emotions............I am not familiar with all of yours history  but robert showed 0 damage from strokes presurgery maybe this has something to do with it.

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Reply #8 - Jun 10th, 2007 at 1:41pm
 
I am grateful for this board, I am a pharmacy tech and my job is very stressful everday i come home and tell my husband I cant do it. I had my surgeries 2 years ago and anxiety level is getting worse then ever latley the I am gonna be 50 in January. I also have problems with short term memory  and my motor skills arent there anymore not sure if this is all moya moya related but i havent been able to find a Dr close to me and my insurance is dragging there feet on letting me see the dr that did the surgery for me again. well I am just glad to know I am not alone
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Reply #9 - Jun 10th, 2007 at 4:34pm
 
Hello Linda,

and thank you for posting such an interesting and "brave" topic. Noboby likes to mention the fact they might have emotional or mental issues.

I am almost 9 months post surgery and in general....doing much better. I feel my brain fog is soooo much better and my concentration issues are better as well......however, they are certainly not as dynamic as they once were. That is frustrating....to say the least. I realize I have permanent damage that will never recover fully. I have to learn how to accept that. It is hard, because it is UNSEEN damage...so everyone around you assumes that you are fine....although you are struggling with real cognitive and emotional issues.


My family "thinks" they are supportive....but in reality they are all high achievers and add a lot of pressure and stress to my daily life. Everyone delegates "mom" to be their personal secretary, valet and maid! That's a professional husband, and 3 college sons....and twins (boy/girl) aged 11yrs. AND my house is listed for sale with showings always a phone call away.

I wake at 7am and never sleep before midnight. I rarely get a nap or have any down time or personal time. I cook a hot breakfast for my kids every day and a full sit down meal every evening......I wish they would just help in clearing the table or washing the dishes.....nope....I finish in the kitchen by 10pm and it sucks.....I should be resting.

I seem to still have cronic dizzyness and headaches and well....lots of sx's (although less severe) and everyone thinks now that I have had the surgery...."I am Fixed" everything is behind us now. I am a tad bitter....because pre-diagnosis...no one believed me and I worked so hard every day while feeling so ill and if I needed to rest they called it "fibroMYexcuse" instead of fibromyalgia!
Now that I have had the diagnosis and surgery.....well, I would have thought everyone would respect Mom's health issues. Instead....I am supposed to be FIXED and now "get back to life"

So....as for the topic at hand.....I do feel much more emotional and less tolerant of stress than ever before and I seem be more cranky lately.....but is it from the MoyaMoya.....or could it be just the lack of sensitivity from my family????? Most likely it is a combination of both!

I love them all so much and they are a family to be proud of, but I just want everyone to pick up after themselves....so I can get some much needed rest!!!!

OK....I have gotten off the soapbox (but I dusted and polished it first) ...sorry for the rant   Yikes.....I think I have Suzie Homemakers disease! (I heard it is a horrible, progressive, incurable disease....that could easily put you in an early grave!)   Shocked

Hugs to ya....Diane

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Reply #10 - Jun 14th, 2007 at 8:58am
 
Hello Linda,
I nearly quit my job because I couldn't cope. I went throught 1-1 /2 years of cognitve therapy and was clincally severely depressed. Things are much better now but its been 7 years since my DX and surgery. Hope you're better too.

Hello Diane,
Your post here also compelled me to reply. I tore out a Newsweek  article titled ""I'm sorry" shouldn't be the hardest words to say". The author wrote of her frustration that after her father died, no one was able to just say "I'm sorry". Instead they offered up "Silver Lining" platitudes which attempted to convince her not to grieve. Things like" you should be glad he's not suffering anymore" or " you should appreciate that the sun is shining on the day of his funeral". Your post and this article struke a common chord with me. Since my Dx, no one, especially those closest to me, ever just said "I'm sorry". I don't think I'm looking for sympathy or pity but like the author of the article, it would help the emotional healing process if just one person acknowledged  that they are aware that I'm sick and could die from it.  Simply "I'm sorry" and no other words to follow. This has been one of the most helpful effects of this web site for me. I know that no matter what is written here, the people do know and I'm not alone. So for all of us, I'm sorry you have Moya Moya Disease and for the impairments and pain its brought to your life.

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Reply #11 - Jun 14th, 2007 at 4:26pm
 
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Reply #12 - Jun 14th, 2007 at 8:13pm
 
THANKS RUSS! And thank you for acknowledging ALL of us here on the board.

Wonderful to see you TRINA! (I've missed you)

Like you Russ, this board has been a great emotional support for me....a safe haven so to speak. The real world is not ready or willing to hear complaints (even if they are valid)

I am still wishing an apology from the Cleveland Clinic, Neuro that after 3 visits over 2yrs and 4 MRI's, plus an abnormal MRA....told me there was NOTHING wrong with me...just fibro and migraines....now go home and stretch.  Case Closed...followup with PCP. (I was already in the final stages of mm...SEVERLY bilaterally occluded)

That was in spring of 2005. Luckily, I suffered two small strokes post a Pericardectomy Surgery in 7/06 which lead to my MM diagnosis at another hospital.

The MRA of 03/05 stated: an absence of flow related enhancement seen bilaterally in the carotid circulation at the level of the supraclinoid ICA. This appears to be due to motion artifact. The proximal MCA vessels are not seen well bilaterally again, presumably due to motion artifact. A follow up MRA study is recommended to re-evaluate the supraclinoid ICA and MCA vessels.

(I only just recently "and by mere chance" discovered the existance of this incredible MRA finding/report...it was, to say the least.... a jawdropper!)

He never mentioned anything was amiss...said all the studies were normal. Never said I needed to repeat the MRA. This was a Cleveland Clinic doctor! It was all in his lap and he sent me away...no need to come back to CC.


With that, my physician husband (pediatrics) frowned on my health complaints...as the "great" CC said nothing was wrong with me....and my entire family felt I was a "wet blanket". The emotional suffering that no one believed me was the worst part of the disease.

But now.....post surgery....I still have plenty of health issues....but alas....life goes on and still no sympathy for complainers!

So...find your strength and hapiness from deep within......as we walk this journey with the shoes we are dealt with.....
(I think my shoes are missing their laces!) LOL  Wink

Ya just have to smile, laugh and take it all in stride. One dizzy day at a time!

Diane : )
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Reply #13 - Jun 22nd, 2007 at 10:35pm
 
Hi Diane, you said it all, I feel so alone time to time, I still have so much problem of MM to deal with but as my hair grow long cover those 2 long scar on my head I'm look fine, not thing wrong with me, people would say: you look great. Yeer right Roll Eyes they don't know I'm in pain right now, they don't know that when i wake up this morning my leg numb, they don't know I just pop 2 headache pill in my mouth.etc......I could go on.  I'm keep most everything for myself now because I don't want my husband worry, and also I don't want my family and my in-law family said what you call "wet blanket".

I see neuropsychologist every other week to help me to deal with this daily life.  I would love to have a good cry, but some how I can't cry  Angry and 1/2 lb of hershey's chocolate didn't help either.

Any way, hang in there with me, hopefully over the time thing will getting better.

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Reply #14 - Jun 25th, 2007 at 3:07am
 
Oh my Dear Kieu....

I just read your post and it broke my heart.

This is an issue for most of us.....we still have daily issues...and we must silently hold them inside. Even the doctors...just want to rule out..."anything serious or life threatening".... if not....those little side complaints...they just can't solve!

Linda, you, Russ and the others that chimed in on this post....just want a small bit of acknowledgement and patience from those around us that they realize some days can be...well...a bit challenging.

I for one.....stubbornly try to do everything myself......even if I feel over-whelmed....the only thing I really want is "sensitivity" from the people who should care the most. Sometimes....I think they actually avoid asking how I feel....because they don't want to hear anything negative (does that make sense?) It's like nothing is wrong at all! It feels so cold and isolating sometimes to handle this all by myself.

I don't want to complain....just share "relieve" some of the feelings of frustration. But if I start.....the room empties very quickly...lol!

Humor and a light spirit will bring everyone back .... but with no acknowledgement of my issues....I just have to PRETEND all is normal! (after all.....that's what everyone else is doing...right?)

Big hugs to ya girlfriend.....Diane : )
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Reply #15 - Jun 26th, 2007 at 1:00am
 
hmmm....what sucks the most is my "short term" memory is shot. That is my biggest daily challenge.

Today, I returned 3 times to my home office after getting a weight on something....by the time I got to my computer....I was confused about which number it was and had to wiegh it over....then, again....and yet again.

Forget about when someone gives me directions or an appointment date over the phone....right after I hang up....I am squeezing my brain to remember what was said. It's like I draw a blank!

I feel like I have Adult ADD. If anyone interupts me while I am in a task......I risk forgeting what I was actually doing and might move on to something else. Yikes!

I must rely on .....making lists....talking to myself while driving...going over repeatedly what I need to do or get. Seems I put an awful lot of time and energy into trying "not" to forget things...lol!!!

I used to have a fantastic memory (very detail oriented).....but that seems like another lifetime ago.

I also try very hard to cover-up and mask the mistakes I make...as it makes me feel quite "stupid"

But hey....don't get me wrong.....I feel blessed overall and I try not to dwell on the negatives....as it won't change anything....I really believe we need to be positive and laugh at all of this.....but it really scares me to the core.....knowing what I am capable of forgeting.

The worst was when I got a cell phone call  from the school nurse, that I needed to pick up my sick daughter at school.....I told her I was 30 minutes away....and I will head right over....meanwhile I stopped for milk and bread. When I got back into my car I totally forgot that I needed to pick up my daughter! I arrived home and luckily, my older son asked "where is she?" I was completely floored! I never admitted to forgeting....said I just needed to stop home, put the milk away and use the bathroom then head out to the school. If my son wasn't there.....I wonder "when" I would have remembered my sick little girl????? That situation really tells it all!

Ok....you guys must promise not to tell my secrets.....I have worked way too hard trying to to cover my tracks.

I will bribe you with endless cyber chocolate!

Smiles ..... Diane

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Reply #16 - Jun 26th, 2007 at 7:56pm
 
Hi Diane,
I can totally empathise with where you are coming from as I have the same problem to a lesser degree. I have trouble remembering certain things but not as bad. I am feeling in your case though, wouldn't it be more in your interest to tell people what you are experiencing as people are basically "good" and they will assist you if they know what is happening!
My husband takes the load for me and prompts me every now and again and it is the same with the rest of family (in-laws etc) and the other solution is to get one of these "palm pilots" Don't know what you call them in the US but here in Aus, you can write things down on a LED screen - appointments, dates etc. and that may be helpful to you if you can record what you need to while you remember!!
I am sure though if you do share what you are going through with your family they will better understand and if they know this is a problem, they may say "hey mom you do remember you have to do .... before you do .....?" I don't think you need to feel stupid and embarassed with what you are going through- one thing I learned is that no-one knows what is happening unless you communicate that to them otherwise they take it forgranted that you are back to how you were and then it is an extra burden on you to live up to these expectations - throw the load to others as you will find that when you do this, they will ALL be very obliging and helpful and understand!!!
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Reply #17 - Jun 26th, 2007 at 10:29pm
 
Hi Diane, I know what you are going thru. I even have my hubby call the doctor when I need to go because I don't remember what he says. I will make a list and forget to take it. Or drive somewhere and forget where I was going. I have to write everything on the calender and still forget. I don't like this but am still here and will deal with this one day at a time.
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Reply #18 - Jun 26th, 2007 at 10:53pm
 
Hi Diane, your story is my too, I call to make appt. with doctor office, as soon I hang up I forgot what time she told me, just like you I have so much problem with memory, some time when I drive I forgot where I'm going.  The sad thing is sometime I feel that my kids take advance of my forgetfulness.  MM must accompany with memory lost because about 6 months before I was dx, I already got alot of absent mind, my husband & I fight alot @ that time because I don't remember what he told me and I accuse him that play with my mind, I forgot my youngest son birthday, and even forgot to buy his present for Chirtmas, good thing that I wrap present early and find out so i run to wal-mart on the Christmas eve to pick up what left on the shelf.  That follow Jan, I was dx with MM.

It is turn my word up side down, I use to be very strong, inderpendent, smart, sharp, take care of everyone else and now it left me with a disability, (I'm  on disability from my work and I can't go back to that job no more Cry because it too danger for me to go back to that job)

On top of the memory I have this sharp pain come and go throught arms and/or legs, my neurologist send me to reumathalogist(spell), but the appt. until Sept. I have read one time some arcticle on the net that MM is only 10% in family and 90% from underlying disease Smiley.  I guess I just wait and see what next and hope that one day I will get my mind back in the mail Smiley

Thankyou for your post, and thank you for all of you on this site, thank you DJ for make it happen, this is the only place that I can be me with no preten, no fake smile, the place that I can share my problem with and knowing that I'm not alone.

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Reply #19 - Jun 26th, 2007 at 11:05pm
 
It me again, talk about absent mind, I forgot to mention on my post that the daily planner is work very good for me, I wrote down everything from appt, to kid swim practice, to go somewhere or plan to do something on next day, and also I wrote down what I have done today, who do I talk to or who call or what happen etc....I take it with me in my bag everywhere I go and also I put down all my medical information and emergency number , that book is very useful.  My neuropsychologist is suggest me about this planner book, hope it work for you.
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Reply #20 - Jun 27th, 2007 at 12:10am
 
Moira....I suppose that would be the "smartest" thing to do....to include my family in the loop.....but then....I would lose their trust and.... worse, they might "over"-exagerate my situation. I am soooooo used to doing everything I just don't know how to let go. It would kill me to have them treat me as an incompetent.

I manage so many things.....successfully....but I keep seeing these "little" mistakes coming back to haunt me. Like the application for refunding our "flexible spending account" ...it came back returned after 2 months....I had inverted my husband's SS # (24yrs of marriage....I know his, like I know mine). I have left phone messages with my home phone listing 2 digits backwards....etc
I don't even realize that I do these things.

And the PDA is a GREAT item....yes, I carry one in my purse, also I heavily rely on my kitchen calendar....and I always keep an ongoing "to do" list. Without those tools.....I would be toast!

It takes me 3 times as long to do any paperwork......as I keep checking and rechecking for any "unknown" bloopers! LOL

I come in here and reveal some of my innermost thoughts....and you guys are so understanding and supportive... so non-judgemental. I am very grateful to be a part of this site. You are all....my daily vitamin...to give me that much needed boost!

And thanks Sharon and Kieu....we all connect in here...acknowledging the same fears and challenges.

My biggest cyber hug to you all......

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Re: Negative effects after surgery
Reply #21 - Jun 27th, 2007 at 9:43pm
 
Hi Diane,.....I hope you include your family in the loop. I was also used to be the one to do everything. Now I can't. My family knows what can do and also what I can't. Sometimes they are overprotcive but have never thought I was incompetent. It takes me an hour to write three checks to pay bills. My husband calls the doctor to see him because I forget. He also goes with me when I go to remind me what is said. Please don't feel you are incompetent. We are all specilal and need the support of family.

Take care, Sharon
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Re: Negative effects after surgery
Reply #22 - Jun 27th, 2007 at 9:44pm
 
Hi all,

I just wanted to add to the line of thoughts here.  I really liked what Russ wrote but at the time I didn't have a chance to elaborate. 

But I think what everyone here has touched upon is basically validation.  Everyone wants to know that what they are feeling is "valid".  And that's the great thing about this board.  Even though I haven't been regularly contributing, I briefly check the board everyday.  It's a morning ritual for me.  (Brush teeth, eat breakfast, read news, check moyamoya message board...). 

Since my stroke and surgeries 2+ years ago, I struggle daily with words, memory, etc.  What I hear regularly, even from my family, is "oh, I get like that too".  It's very frustrating b/c what they are saying, albeit unintentionally, is that my issues don't mean anything.

But we all know ourselves best and I know, for me, there's a difference.  I feel it most at work -- I used to be able to multi-task and now, I can only focus at one thing at a time.  I can only take on so much without working 7 days a week.  I accept that it's hard for people to understand because it's not "tangible".  They don't "see" the problem visually.  But _I_ know it - there is definitely a difference.  And that's most important.  And it's great that you all get that. 

So...thanks to you all.  Smiley 

And for anyone who ever feels no one understands...make this board your morning ritual.  Smiley:)

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Trina
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Re: Negative effects after surgery
Reply #23 - Jun 28th, 2007 at 10:17pm
 
Hi Trina,

It is my night time check-in, I don't post much any more because it take long time for me to gather my thought, but I check this board almost every night. ( just for a better night sleep Wink)
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Re: Negative effects after surgery
Reply #24 - Jul 27th, 2007 at 12:56am
 
Hello Linda

I wake up every morning wondering how my day will go.  While my family sit's back and thinks surgery was a instant fix, wrong...  Time is what we have on our side, playing the waiting game to see if the surgery took.  I have the cognitive problems even today.  My save haven is this website, I feel you can post a topic and someone out there relates to your problem. 

I'll keep you in my thoughts and pray that each day is better day for you. Roll Eyes

Set yourself small daily goals, if you complete them then GREAT, if not its STILL OKAY.  That's what I do.

Take care

Dana   From  Alabama
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