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Nov 12th, 2009 at 9:45am
 
Hello everyone, I have been poking around the msg. board for a few days now, and decided to make a post. Almost 2 weeks ago my dad suffered a sudden cerebral hemorrhage. He is a very healthy, active 55 year old without any risk factors traditionally associated with hemorrhage (high blood pressure, smoker etc.). Anyway.... after nearly a week in the hospital and LOTS of tests we are left just as confused as before. The hospital he was at is a very good hospital in Boston, and what they found on the angio is suggestive of Moyamoya, they found a blockage in his internal coarted (not sure where) and that there was a complex network of collateral vessels formed around the blockage to supply the brain with blood. One of these vessels ruptured which caused the hemorrhage. The drs aren't 100% confident that it is moyamoya since he doesn't fit the diagnostic criteria. They think that the blockage was caused by a head injury much earlier in life, and the collateral vessels formed to compensate, giving the appearance of MM. So, he inst really a text book case. The drs. did mention that a bypass may be necessary, (some disagree)... but they aren't doing anything for 30 days until the hemorrhage has reabsorbed. He will have an MRI on December 15th to get a better look at the vessels once the bleed has cleared. We plan on sending his results to Dr. Steinberg after the next MRI... but I am terrified that this is too long to wait, and that he may have a bigger hemorrhage/stroke before then. If anyone could please give me their thoughts/experiences I would really appreciate it... this waiting period is killing me. Have any of you experienced a hemorrhage and recovered? Has surgery proven successful for any of you whose initial mm symptom was hemorrhage? How long did it take for you to recover from the initial hemorrhage, what kind of symptoms did you have days/weeks later. So far my dads recovery is going well. He had a lot of difficulty with word finding and speech right after the hemorrhage, but now his speech is much improved. He is home and resting... he gets fatigued very easily (is this normal immediately following a hemorrhage)... what other symptoms are considered normal during this initial period. Anyway, I am desperate for some insight from those of you who have been through this... your feedback is greatly appreciated.
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Reply #1 - Nov 12th, 2009 at 2:30pm
 
Boston has two doctors that are expert at Moya Moya: Dr Richard Scott and Dr Christopher Ogilvy.Dr Scott is at Brigham and Children's Hospital and Ogilvy is at Mass General, at least they were a few years ago.
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Reply #2 - Nov 12th, 2009 at 2:58pm
 
Hi JNL and welcome to the MM family.

I'm sorry to hear about your Dad but am very glad to hear you are pursuing a second opinion from a MM expert.

It is my understanding Dr. Scott only treats MM patients to age thirty five. Dr. Steinberg has treated patients both younger and older than your father.

I would suggest not waiting until December 15th to send your Dad's test to Dr. Steinberg. I would get in touch with Dr. Steinberg's nurse Teresa immediately and get them involved sooner than later for a second opinion.

Teresa's email address is:

teresab@stanford.edu

Keep us posted.

You and your Dad will be in my thoughts and prayers.

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Reply #3 - Nov 13th, 2009 at 3:07am
 
Hey JNL

I'm terribly sorry to hear about your father, but I'm glad you found us.

Luca's first doctor was also bleating on about head injury causing the stroke until we consulted with a neurologist familiar with moyamoya. From your limited explanation, my non-medical response would be that it sounds just like moyamoya. Obviously you shouldn't take me by my word, but seek out the advice of an expert; there are many listed at the link below, Dr Steinberg probably topping the list:

http://www.moyamoya.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?board=surgeons_board

Your doctors are right in saying that there is a waiting period after stroke before they can do anything; there is no blueprint for the timeline with these things. The chances are, if it's moyamoya, he will have another stroke because as we know this disease is progressive, but when is anybodies guess; it could be next week or next year, or never. The important thing is to do what you can as quickly as possible; that's all you can do.

You say your father is only scheduled for an MRI on the 15th, but they must have done some form of scan to come to the conclusion that there's a blocked artery and collateral vessels. Request copies of these images on disk and courier them ASAP to the moyamoya expert of your choice. Or send copies to a few experts, most of them are happy to give free opinions.

Every case is unique. Of course your father is fatigued easily, a stroke is a very traumatic experience on the body and brain, he needs rest. There is no way of saying how long to recover but luckily, by the sound of it, he's not too badly affected.

Unfortunately Luca is too young to tell us about symptoms, but reading posts on here I would say the most common are TIA's, headache, fatigue, numbness and, of course, stroke. TIA's, as I understand them, are mini strokes but without the lasting effects.

Luca's strokes were also caused by a hemorrhage and her surgery is considered a success and her blockage has been bypassed, but moyamoya is something that you live with for the rest of your life, getting checked periodically to make sure the blood is still flowing. Recovery from the hemorrhage is very likely, it's recovery from the stroke damage caused by the hemorrhage that can be lengthy. But again, every case is unique. For Luca, the hemorrhages caused strokes which affected her eyesight and the strength in her limbs. Now, a year later, she's recovered a lot of her sight, her arms are quite strong again but her legs are still very weak and it will take awhile for her to learn to walk.

I hope you manage to extract some useful information from my waffle above, all of which is just my opinion. Get an experts opinion as soon as possible.

Stay strong and keep us posted
Mark (Luca's Dad)
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Reply #4 - Nov 13th, 2009 at 10:46pm
 
Hi JNL,
I hope you will send your Dad's scans on to Dr. Steinberg. I was 54 when I had two, small, ischemic strokes. Though Moyamoya was suggested as a possible cause, after nearly a month of testing, my neurologist, who had no experience with Moyamoya, gave me a final misdiagnosis of atherosclerosis. You see, the text books all say that Moyamoya "typically" occurs between 0-10 years and 30-40 years, more frequently in women than men, and among the Japanese population. A Moyamoya Specialist, such as Dr. Steinberg, has seen and helped plenty of atypical cases, such as me.
I had STA/MCA surgeries is Stanford two years ago. In two weeks, I'll be walking my first marathon.
Kim
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Reply #5 - Nov 14th, 2009 at 11:08pm
 
      Thank you, thank you for your replies! Your stories ,are so inspirational for anyone who is suffering, or has a family member suffering from MM.
      To Luca's Dad.... as a mother of a one year old, I cannot imagine going through this with my son, what a strong little girl you have! It is heart breaking that MM is so prevalent in children, but it looks like things are going great for you guys, you are so strong, I really admire that! Going through this with my dad has been really difficult...
      To KTiller.... congratulations on your marathon!! That is wonderful to hear Smiley My dad is a VERY active man... and hearing stories of people continuing exercise and physical activity, such as walking a marathon 2 years after STA-MCA bypass will be very comforting to him!!
      We are actively starting the process of pursuing second opinions from MM specialists. The neurologist we are working with is leading toward MM as a dx.... so my mom is already making the preparations to have everything sent to Dr. Steinberg, she got all his info from DJ (Thank you!). She has also been in touch with Dr. Scott (we live about 20 mins out of Boston)... Dr. Scott replied to her within an hour and although he does not treat adults, he did recommend a colleague of his at Brigham and Woman's in Boston, Dr. Arthur Day... Does anyone have an info/experience with him?? 
       So... we are on our way... Dad is getting stronger and stronger every day. Its been two weeks since his hemorrhage, and his speech is much improved... sometimes almost back to normal! He is home, and doing everyday things... he is still very fatigued and doesn't feel quite right, but compared to how he was even 1 week ago, its amazing! So... any more stories of hope  or advice would be wonderful inspiration for us/him. Thank you for this website... and all your feedback! Best wishes to all... you will all be in my thoughts & prayers!

J
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