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New Diagnosis - 24 years old
Jan 6th, 2013 at 10:39pm
 
Hello, I am 24 years old and was just diagnosed with moyamoya. I have had no other symptoms other then headaches. I feel like everyone finds out by having some form of stroke. I have been completely healthy my entire life and now I feel like a ticking time bomb! I have a cerebral arteriogram scheduled for tomorrow so I guess I have to just wait and see what they say about that. But does anyone know of someone diagnosed with nothing by headaches.  At this point, the doctor said according to my CT with contrast that my brain is getting adequately perfused with collateral circulation that has grown since I was a baby (he thinks). So I guess that is good but I feel like they are just going to tell me there is nothing they can do now. If that is the answer I plan on getting a second opinion from stanford but I would really like to know if anyone has a similar story. Any information is more then welcome.
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Reply #1 - Jan 10th, 2013 at 11:50am
 
So I had my cerebral arteriogram and the neurovascular surgeon has said that since I am currently having no stroke like symptoms that they cannot do surgery. Now...I understand where they are coming from, however, I dont really feel like the "lets wait until you have symptoms" approach is the best idea. If my first symptom is a little arm numbness then ok, but if my first symptom happens to be a massive head bleed then I am in trouble. They say that I may never have symptoms (apparently more frequent headaches are not a symptom) and that some people may have moyamoya and never know it, so go live my life. I am planning on sending the images of my arteriogram out to Stanford and see what they think but it would be greatly appreciated to hear from someone who maybe has a similar story.
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Reply #2 - Jan 11th, 2013 at 10:34am
 
My daughter was diagnosed from just headaches.  She had surgery on the right side within months of finding out she had it (only on the right side). Now it is showing up on the left but has not progressed enough to do the surgery.  I cna't believe they want you to wait until you have a stroke to do surgery.  If you have enough blockage you can have the surgery without waiting.  Sometimes I can't believe these doctors.  May I ask where you are and if you saw a Moyamoya specialist?  A lot of neuro doctors know about it but just not a lot.  I think I would get a second opinion.
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Re: New Diagnosis - 24 years old
Reply #3 - Jan 11th, 2013 at 10:50am
 
Hello, I've  had symptoms since  I was only 5-6 years old. Temporary paralysis of the left side after hyperventilation and frequent bad migraines. I was 40 when I had a hemorragic stroke and diagnosed.  I had EDAS surgery and am 53 today. My angiogram showed near complete blockage of the right internal carodic artery. I think your angiographic results are significant in determining the need for surgery maybe more so than your symptoms. Sorry you have this disease and I wish the best for you.
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Reply #4 - Jan 11th, 2013 at 1:55pm
 
I agree. The amount of blockage should be the major factor.  I think it's a great idea to send the results to Dr. Steinberg.  I couldn't imagine waiting for my daughter to have "symptoms" which could be a stroke.  Her left side has blockages but she also has a good blood supply. so we are watching it closely.  If they did an EDAS right now the brain is starved enough to go out and seek the new source so they think it might fail.  She told one doctor she wouldn't see him again becasue his attitude was to wait until she had symptoms.
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Reply #5 - Jan 30th, 2013 at 11:09am
 
I had a neuro specialist, in St. Louis mo from Washington, Mo tell me my extreme fatigue and recent horrible headaches are probably not related to the MM diagnosis he just gave me, I was told we will  wait and see what happens......I may never have another event (had a TIA 1/4/2013)  Thank goodness I have sent my stuff to Dr. Steinberg, I'm anxiously awaiting their evaluation and recommendation.
I'm glad to read that this fatigue I've been having since around Christmas, is not all in my head.... Grin
SmileyGod Bless! -Laura
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Reply #6 - Jan 30th, 2013 at 1:44pm
 
I also had frequent migraines and headaches which led to my diagnosis and searching for help, but I also had TIAs just about everyday and symptoms for 10 plus years and those weren't explainable until the MM dx. My scans showed that somewhere I had had a stroke or two before. A black spot, I guess? I am missing two of the main blood vessels on one side and missing one of the main ones on the other side. At the age of 21 I had surgery on the bad side and doctors still say I shouldn't worry about the other.  It's amazing how well (or not) we can function even though we are missing a majority of the three major blood vessels. Thank goodness for those small ones filling up the brain. It seems that my MM affects my speech and thinking everyday!!

I hope you are able to get the right information...but I hear the same story. Wait til it gets worse on the other side or the scans show something negative. I'm now in my later 20s and although I felt good around 3 years after surgery I feel pretty bad again, but doctors also say it's nothing related (even though all the weakness and headaches I seem to believe are from MM), so I'm buying time.

Best wishes and good luck with Dr Steinberg!  I saw a regular neuro and wish I had gone to Dr S!
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Reply #7 - Jan 30th, 2013 at 1:45pm
 
For everyone else that also has headaches, do your symptoms show with headache? People say my headaches might not be associated either, but I also get the loss of vision, the weakness in my arm and leg when I get headaches. The same side that caused my speech to stumble and my TIAs.
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Re: New Diagnosis - 24 years old
Reply #8 - Jan 30th, 2013 at 6:00pm
 
Headaches alone CAN be the only symptom.  I had non-relenting, intractable headaches.  When they finally did an MRI, they found one side almost totally blocked.  Do not wait for other symptoms to show up.
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Re: New Diagnosis - 24 years old
Reply #9 - Jan 30th, 2013 at 10:22pm
 
My daughters doctors all have said they can't be sure the headaches and the MM are related.  Bottom line is the headaches are how we found it regardless of wether they are rtelated or not.  She still has headaches and it's very likely she would be a migraine patient even without MM.  That is no reason to ignore the MM.  Also...if you aren't happy with your neurologist please find another.  We are very happy with my daughters doctors.  They are new because her surgeon moved back to Australia.  That being said...we would not hesitate to go to Dr. Steinberg when it's time for her second surgery if we aren't 100% comfortable with our doctors here.
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Re: New Diagnosis - 24 years old
Reply #10 - Jan 30th, 2013 at 11:18pm
 
Thank you all so much for replying. I have not had any worsening headaches since the night they found the MM. My left internal carotid is completely blocked but apparently I have good collateral circulation.  I originally saw a neurovascular surgeon in Indianapolis, IN where I am from and he said basically to wait it out and that I MIGHT never have symptoms.  I did send the results of my arteriogram to Dr. Steinberg and he thinks that I need to have the surgery. Which is so scary! I am graduating nursing school in May and I get married in July. So it is so hard for me to rationalize having brain surgery with no real symptoms, but I also do not want to have a stroke. I am also worried about my insurance. I am 24 and a full time student so I am on my parents insurance for now. I know everyones insurance is different but does anyone have experience with insurance not paying for what I feel like they would see as "elective" surgery.
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Reply #11 - Jan 31st, 2013 at 1:11pm
 
Destin never had a stroke and our insurance covered her surgery.  I don't think they really look at it as elective.  We had UnitedHealth and they were wonderful.  I sure understand not wanting to think about surgery with graduation and a wedding coming up.  My daughter is in college (also wants to get her BSN) and knows she will probably have a surgery in her future.  Dr. Steinberg is the best. You couldn't get a better doctor for a diagnosis.  Take care of yourself!
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Reply #12 - Jan 31st, 2013 at 4:17pm
 
listen to Dr S!

As I said, I am mssing 3 of 6 major blood vessels to the brain but supposedly the doctors will simply keep monitoring  my other side (every 2 years) until something progressively gets worse. 

Dr S is good. He reviewed my files and records and said I could see him for a viist...even though everything was given the good to go from other doctors. I never got to see him, though.
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Re: New Diagnosis - 24 years old
Reply #13 - Jan 31st, 2013 at 6:52pm
 
Trust Dr Steinberg and those that are familiar with this disease.  You don't want to wait for a stroke and you don't have to.  It would be terrible to experience that before or during your upcoming life events.  Take care of yourself is excellent advice!
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Re: New Diagnosis - 24 years old
Reply #14 - Feb 8th, 2013 at 12:37pm
 
My family talked to Dr. Steinberg on the phone a few nights ago and I can't explain how much better I feel about the whole thing. I think he is fantastic already. Especially since he took the time to call me from a conference in Hawaii. I'm going out to CA over my spring break in March to do some tests to see what my blood flow is and if I may have had a small stroke I didn't know about. Hopefully this will give me a better idea of how urgent surgery may be.
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Re: New Diagnosis - 24 years old
Reply #15 - Feb 9th, 2013 at 10:03am
 
  That's great news. I'm so gald your family was able to talk with Dr. S. It sounds like you have a wonderfully supportive family that's great. Almost 11 years experience with seeing families go through this process I've learned that talking with a specialist is the most important part of treating this disease. My daughter's surgeon was one of these specialists, Dr. Scott. We did not take a wait and see approach but her disease still progressed way faster than anticipated and the consequence of this will be with her forever. She suffered a severe stroke between the surgies of the left and right side. I don't want anyone to go through what she did so when I hear wait and see I feel like it's just insane to wait for a stroke because no one can predict how severe that stroke may be when it does come. My daughter had small strokes that we never even knew were occuring before her diagnosis. I'm so glad you and your family have contacted dr. S. Keep us posted.
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