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Adult Onset - Dr says no surgery
Feb 12th, 2015 at 2:03pm
 
I'm recently diagnosed at age 55.  Everything I read says surgery is the only course of correcting.  But my doctor says to up blood pressure medication and go on statins.  I had issues with Statins in the past affecting memory and muscles.  Is this just a step in the process?  Can I expect a stroke before I'm a candidate for surgery?  I have had extreme headaches which caused the tests that brought the diagnosis.  What do I plan on?   Undecided 
Am I just too old for surgery?  Looks like all the data is on younger folks.  I'm a few years away from retirement and want to know if I should pursue a medical disability for this, my doctor says this is not cause for disability.  Is it possible I have a lesser version?  Are there moyamoya symptoms and indications in other diseases?
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Reply #1 - Feb 12th, 2015 at 4:20pm
 
Hi Susan, I am the 71 yr old woman ( see guest book). Talk about adult onset! I am currently in the testing phase..with my 2nd MRI and a wall imaging study coming up Feb 28th. No talk of surgery at this point😳..both my general practitioner and neurologist are not aware of studies of adult MM...but they assure me that they are searching. For now, having had a hemmorhagic stroke in Sept (which found the MM), and having no high BP or other known risk factors, I am on no meds, and hoping like you that I will not have another stroke! I will keep you posted. Please do the same. Wishing you all the best. Pat fromToronto ON Canada (my email is in guest book)
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Reply #2 - Feb 12th, 2015 at 9:57pm
 
If it were me I'd find a neurologist experienced with MM before settling for a "wait and see" approach.  My neurologist couldn't figure out what was going on with me for 3 years told me it was a waste of my time to continue tests, so I listened, and then had a stroke, which revealed the MM.  He then told me nothing could be done for me, so I did my own research and found this site and Dr. Steinberg (who will look at your films for free btw).  I had my surgery just before my 54th birthday.

So, my advice is get a second opinion from a neurologist you can trust.  Do not simply accept and wait unless you are sure that's what you should do.  It may indeed be the right thing  but you should be certain as you can you are getting good guidance.  (You can not have surgery without complete blockage first so that may be why your doc says do nothing for now.  A bypass simply won't work without blockage.)  I'm now waiting for the blockage to occur on my left side.  Anyway, good luck!
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Reply #3 - Feb 13th, 2015 at 2:12am
 
Thanks for the information.  I think my report said blockage on one side only, but I'll have to check.  This looks like something one can live with, but control the triggers for increased blood pressure and cholesterol that lead to stroke. 

I wonder if there are natural remedies that people found to work?  How does stress affect the disease?
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Reply #4 - Feb 13th, 2015 at 7:36am
 
Just to clarify I meant blockage on either side not both has to happen before surgical intervention.  If the cerebral artery is completely blocked then a bypass can be done.  There is no natural cure for this that I know of.  I encourage you to send your films to Dr. Steinberg's office.  There are people who live with this, but the fine vessels that grow around the blockage, do put you at risk for a stroke.    I was having many TIA's (mini strokes) over a long period of time, brain fog, crying for no reason, stumbling, tingling, numbness, all were warning signs that my g. p. ignored and neurologist dismissed till I had a stroke while mowing in the middle of an empty lot with no one around.  Please don't be complacent.  Get another opinion.  They may be right but it's just good to be sure.
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Reply #5 - Feb 13th, 2015 at 7:54am
 
Please tell me who and where is Dr Steinberg?
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Reply #6 - Feb 14th, 2015 at 9:56am
 
He is a neurosurgeon at Stanford University at Palo Alto CA.  See http://neurosurgery.stanford.edu/moyamoya/index.html .  There are other neurosurgeons (there's a section on here about them).   In any case his team will look at films and give you an opinion.  As I said, if there isn't blockage then surgery is not an option as far as I know. I also forgot to ask, it would seem a daily adult aspirin would also be a good idea to help prevent stroke, might want to ask you doctor.
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Reply #7 - Feb 14th, 2015 at 10:17am
 
Thanks so much for the information. It is nice to not feel alone! I am reading as much as I can and everyone is so generous sharing their experiences. Wish to find someone as old as me!!71 yrs
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Reply #8 - Mar 2nd, 2015 at 8:25pm
 
What jrl said.  You have to understand that this disease is so rare that most neurologists have never seen it.  My husband was diagnosed after falling in the bathroom from dehydration while undergoing chemo for bladder cancer.  He hit his head on the wall and refused to go to the ER until three days later.  They did a CT scan of his head and found evidence of an old stroke.

The neurologist at Sloan-Kettering where he was being treated said "For most neurologists it's a question on a test in medical school -- 'What would be the cause of stroke in a child:  moyamoya.'  He was the first moyamoya patient this neurologist had seen.

He was 58 when diagnosed, not much older than you.  He'd had no awareness that he'd ever had a stroke, and indeed, the stroke neuro that MSKCC sent us to was amazed at how he passed all the standard tests with flying colors.  In retrospect, however, there were signs for at least 15 years -- an episode where his right foot went dead for a couple of weeks.  Social withdrawal.  Decreased ability to understand or navigate social cues.  Flying into rages.  Depression. Trouble holding down a job.  Occasional slight slurring of speech.  And yet, his intelligence was completely unaffected, and he even studied Shaolin kung-fu for a few years.  So we never would have guessed there was anything wrong. 

Back 15 or so years ago when he had the "dead foot" problem, he went to an orthopedist who wanted him to see a neurologist.  We thought that was absurd, but he didn't want to go.  He saw a chiropractor instead and that helped.  But now I think that the neuro recommendation was because the orthopedist may have suspected stroke, or something like MS or ALS.

Because very few neurologists even have MM on their radar, it's important to see a specialist in this area.  Gary Steinberg is the big gun in MM on the west coast.  For pediatric moyamoya, Drs. Scott and Smith at Boston Children's Hospital are the experts.  There are also doctors with familiarity with moyamoya in New York.

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Reply #9 - Apr 2nd, 2015 at 10:21am
 
Thanks all.  I've sent my tests to Dr. Steinberg at Standford and will hopefully hear back from them next week.  I'm truly appreciative of all the posts on this site.  Thanks to all for being there! Smiley
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Reply #10 - Jun 2nd, 2015 at 6:22pm
 
Dr. Steinberg had another MRI done.  Good News, no stroke.  Recommends angiogram stress MRI with bypass surgery.  My family are all on the East coast, so I need to see about getting surgery done near DC or Baltimore.  Anybody done comparison of the doctors? Undecided
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Reply #11 - Jun 2nd, 2015 at 9:38pm
 
Hey Susan,
     My only experience is with my young son when he was 5 years old, so I can't give you age related advice. I can give you doctor related advice however.
     The first doctor we consulted with was the "best in the country (his pompous words)" and he advised us to do nothing also.
     Do not listen to him. Research the Moyamoya experts here and go talk to them.
     Our son is now 12 and has had no strokes. Yes, I don't know for sure what would have happened if he didn't have surgery, but is it worth waiting to find out?
    I don't post here often enough, but I am convinced DJ and this site saved my son's life. Be proactive for your own sake.
     Inform yourself, then go inform the "experts" that tell you there is nothing to do.
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Reply #12 - Jan 15th, 2016 at 5:34pm
 
Susan--hopefully you've had your surgery by now. But wanted to say 55 is not too old. My sister is 50 and just had surgery. She is doing really well. Surgery may not be right for everyone, but be sure you see someone with experience. If your doctor doesn't know anyone, and you can't find someone here, look at the websites for the various hospitals in your area and check out their neurology practices. You will find what you need if you search and talk to people. We were recommended to Dr. Anderson through a cousin's wife who is a nurse and had heard of him.
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Reply #13 - May 7th, 2016 at 7:43pm
 
Hi Susan,
I'm Susan too. Smiley  I'm 43 and was recently diagnosed with MMD.  I'm in a similar situation so I'm wondering how things turned out with you?

I was diagnosed because I was experiencing daily chronic migraines.  I'm in the process of applying for disability and I believe you can be approved because of your headaches.

I have one artery on the left completely blocked and the other is 95% blocked.  But the surgeon I saw did not recommend surgery as the spect scan is showing that I get enough blood in my brain.

But my headaches continue and some days they are so debilitating.  I'm scared and frustrated.  The neurologist I'm seeing actually suggested taking tripans which I know can cause stroke in MMD patients.  She seems to think I will be fine and I don't undertand her rationale.

I'm going to send my scans to Dr. Steinberg and am really interested in what he has to say.

I would love to hear an update from you.

Susan
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Reply #14 - May 10th, 2016 at 8:57am
 
Hello I am Patty H moyamoya survivor.  I was misdiagnosed as intracranial aetherosclerosis, then more strokes, etc... The doctors said "we dont thenk the benefits of surgery outweigh the risks."  Isn't that my decision?  I fond Dr.Nussbaum in Mn., Dr. Meyer @ Mayo in Rochester and Dr. Wanebo in Phoenix to agree to do the surgeries.  Then I picked Dr. Wanebo and feel so blessed and thankful for him.  You need to fight for what you think is right for you.  I chose between hoping not to have "the big one" and giving surgery a chance.  I feel like I won!!!!  Keep fighting.  I am a 50 year old woman with adult onset.   Wink

Stay strong.
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