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Ted Sr.
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Both sides done at the same time?
Jun 6th, 2012 at 10:06am
 
From reading other posts it does not appear to be the norm to do both sides in the same surgery.  Has anyone had this done?
My son was 1 year old when the doctor decided to do both sides.
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Re: Both sides done at the same time?
Reply #1 - Jun 6th, 2012 at 12:25pm
 
Ted,
There are several people who have had to have both sides done, and for a while it was uncommon to only have one side done. It is your MoyaMoya specialest who can decide if the blockage/blood flow is okay enough to only have one side done. It is all in feeding your brain with enough blood. It is also dependent on the type of surgery too and the age of the person. A younger person is still growing so that also effects things.
I was 22 and only had one side and two types of surgery done at the same time.

I hope this helps,
Becky
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Reply #2 - Jun 6th, 2012 at 10:22pm
 
My son had his surgery in Boston with Dr. Scott and Dr. Smith. They did both sides at the same time as well. Malachi was 2 years old and was discharged from the hospital after 4 day.
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Reply #3 - Jun 7th, 2012 at 10:08am
 
Thank you both.  My son had both sides done and immediately when he came out of surgery he suffered a series of massive strokes rendering him brain dead.  It was his first birthday when he died.  I appreciate the answers I am searching for some sort of reasoning as to why he died since he had no underlying conditions and the doctors have told me it's very uncommon for a patient to die right after this surgery.
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Reply #4 - Jun 7th, 2012 at 12:35pm
 
Ted,
I am sorry for you loss.  Cry I am sure the doctors did everything they could. They are correct in that it is very uncommon.  But I am shocked that they don't have an expination.

I am not a doctor but I would think they might have said that the surgery corrected the major blockage but then there were other areas that also had some issues. That they could not see the other areas well becuase the major area dwarfed the other ones.

I hope you find your answers.
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Reply #5 - Jun 8th, 2012 at 6:07pm
 
Our 7yr old son had both sides done at the same time as the blockage was 100% on one side and 95% on the other.  Dr. Sean Lew at Children's in Milwaukee did the surgery.  They told us that during and up to a couple of days after surgery he would be at the highest risk for more strokes.  I'm sorry about what happened.
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Reply #6 - Jun 10th, 2012 at 11:32pm
 
Ted,

Wow, I am so very sorry to hear your son passed after surgery! I am also sorry to hear nobody could give you a valid reason as to why your son suffered so many massive strokes following surgery.

My son was 11 last year when he had both sides done at Boston's Children's Hosptial. Both sides were not done at the same time, but they were  done during the same surgery. I was told if the neurosurgeons saw my son was having any type of problems while doing the one side of the brain, they would not have continued on to do the other side.

My son did suffer many strokes prior to being diagnosed with Moyamoya, and he also suffered a stroke the day after surgery. Thankfully he recovered. I was told there was a chance (don't remember the percentage) of him having a stroke during surgery and/or within the first month after surgery. I have yet to read or hear about a patient dying after surgery, aside from your son (not that it hasn't happened before) .

Again, I am so sorry for your loss

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Reply #7 - Jun 11th, 2012 at 3:08am
 
Hello Ted,
really sorry to hear about your loss. Our son was 9 months when he was operated. both the side of the brain were operated one after the other in the same surgery.  The doctors had mentioned that while doing the first side of the brain, if the EEG is abnormal, they will not continue with the second side.  I remember the doctors mentioning that there is a risk of a fatal stroke for 3-4 days after the surgery.
Was a STA/ MRA procedure done on your son? or was it a indirect revascularization  (like EDAS/ Pial synangiosis)?
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Reply #8 - Jun 11th, 2012 at 3:47pm
 
He had a synangiosis.  We were told the rate of stroke was between 4-10%.  We were also told that the eeg was normal throughout the whole surgery.  All they can tell me is that is must have happened within a few hours after surgery.  What I was told was blood vessels are fickle and there is no telling how they will respond when manipulated. 
My hospital has never had a death from this surgery, yet my son was their first.  From meetings with the doctors there have only been two other children that have died.
I was told from the start that it was extremely rare for Teddy at 10 months old to be presenting with an aggressive scan of MoyaMoya.  He stroked three times and would recover within a day, even after full paralysis. He took his first steps after his third major stroke, he started saying mama and dada.  The morning of his surgery he learned to turn on and off a light switch. I can remember being so proud of him.  My son, from what I was told was very rare when it came to Moyamoya.  His neurologists and surgeons all told me Teddy amazed them.  He was perfectly healthy, no signs or symptoms, no predisposing conditions, 10 months, etc.  I am sure you heard how rare it was for your son at 9 months to have it was as well.
How is your son doing?
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Reply #9 - Jun 11th, 2012 at 4:39pm
 
yes Ted, really sorry about the news. We have had a horrible time too.  Our son's surgery was done at Boston Children's hospital. we thought he was recovering, but then all of  sudden there has been a complication of his surgery.. We are dealing with it as I write this note to you.
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Reply #10 - Jun 11th, 2012 at 10:24pm
 
I wish your son and your family the best of luck. Please keep us informed.
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Reply #11 - Jun 12th, 2012 at 5:02pm
 
Hi Ted,

So sorry to hear about your son Teddy. What a nightmare.......I'm so sorry for your loss.

My daughter had surgery at SickKids too..Dr. Dirks and team. She had 2 surgeries...we were terrified.....stroke after each one-after first surgery, a stroke within 24 hrs..after 2nd surgery stroke at 5 days.....both were a shock to  medical team. We were told the risk percentage too. We were terrified each time as I knew she was in rough shape going in........had TIA's and seizures for years I think...but doctors in our local community did not listen.....it was Dr. Yim from Trillium and Dr. Dirks' team that took us seriously.
I have tried to research Moyamoya as much as I can (but do not have any medical background).
Our daughter did recover well after her surgery and strokes....and we are very grateful. I know this disease is still so under-researched and rare........so we don't have alot of answers still..and we continue to be vigilant with our daughter and try to read everything we can about this disease, risks, progression etc.
We too still have so many questions.......

take care

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Reply #12 - Jun 12th, 2012 at 6:44pm
 
Dawn, may I ask how old your daughter was at the time of surgery?
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Reply #13 - Jun 13th, 2012 at 8:18am
 
HI Ted,

My daughter was 6 at her first surgery and 7 at her second surgery. I should mention my daughter is Asian, adopted from China at 9 1/2 months old. We had no birth or medical history. I noticed something was up...she had "eye flickers".....I attributed to other things at first......this progressed to left side weakness (now I know TIA's) and seizures... doctors in our community thought it was nothing...I took her several times over the next few years.......eventually found a neurologist a dr in Mississauga, then a neurologist (on my own) in Mississauga. Her first EEG was fine.....then went back and there was an issue..........eventually went for cerebral angiogram to SickKids...and I knew she was in rough shape.......i was worried she may stroke even from the angiogram). She had frequent TIA's..crying, hyperventilating...then weaknesss. AFter first surgery, she improved---then had weakness on other side, at one point was paralyzed for 10 min on one side, it was the MRI/CVR that finally convinced them to do the second surgery (I think??) as MRI, EEG, CT from week previous showed nothing significant...........stroke was in aread of caudate nucleus, internal capsule........both times.
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Reply #14 - Jun 13th, 2012 at 8:26am
 
Ted,

I should mention one more thing. I wanted them to "do both sides" as I had heard/read that MM progresses. They would not, saying that sometimes if the other side has not progressed enough (with blockage), the surgery won't be helpful.....meaning it has to be significantly compromised before they will do other side. (at least that was my understanding). My daughter had a blood transfusion during both surgeries too........and I believe another transfusion shortly after one of her surgeries. She also had a mild Factor IX coagulation disorder.
I have communicated with several others with mm and find symptomolgy and circumstances so different.....I don't really think there is a typical MM.
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